Posted on 12/12/2006 10:51:32 PM PST by Coleus
""It appears that God will predestine people to sin.""
You are on a slippery slope here ,Dear Brother
Every sinful act is a voluntary.It is an act of will that is NOT in order with the will of God.
Since a sinful act is an act of human will,the basic cause of sin is within man himself.
Be carful what you are alluding to ,NO sin is Not from God.
Perhaps you can explain to us all what sin comes from God?
Think about what you are saying ,Dear Friend.
Was Judas able NOT to betray the Lord?
Was that path open to him?
Was Judas able NOT to betray the Lord?
Was that path open to him?
The Church got along for 250 years by the oral teaching of the Apostles(tradition), handed down to their successors, the bishops.
You sure tortured that verse...
He was talking about the gospel. He gave them the gospel as an Apostle tended to do and commended them for their unique faith in varifying what he said in the scriptures.
The woman is NOT Mary...Has never been Mary and never will be Mary...
If 2+2 was part of the gospel it'd be in this discussion.
*rolling eyes*
who exactly do you think it is then?
and with your spirit. :-)
So you don't really mean "Therefore...if it is not in the scriptures...it is not so." What you really mean is something like: "If it is not in the scriptures ... it is not part of the gospel". Right?
-A8
who exactly do you think it is then?
I know who it is as do millions of other Christians...But you'll never know til you get your eyes off your chuch and get them into the bible...
Thank you. :)
My church gave you the Bible. And you proceded to rip it apart.
Are you saying that one cannot believe in the Bible and the Catholic Church at the same time?
If so, you are mistaken. There are millions and millions of Catholics who believe in the Bible as the Word of God and believe in the Catholic Church at the same time.
Or have you not noticed the daily Mass readings????
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=mass%20readings
I will soon be leading a Bible Study on the Book of Revelation; we just finished one on the Gospel of Mark. What say you now?
Sorry, but one of the names for Mary in reference to the Old Testament is "woman." Stop taking the Bible so literally and check out the references, please.
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Exactly.
From the Holy See:
"It would have been easy for the Lord to bring about human salvation without this covering of flesh and to destroy the reign of death by willing to do so; likewise he could have made sin, the source of death, disappear completely and expel the devil, the author of sin, forever. ... But he preferred to show the justice of his providence... Also, later, when he wanted to bring the remedies of salvation to all people, it was neither the ministry of angels nor of archangels to which he turned; nor did he proclaim salvation from the height of heaven in a voice that everyone could understand. Rather he built a human residence in a virginal womb, from which he came forth, a man that one sees and the God that is adored: this one who came from the substance of the Father before the centuries and who received from the Virgin what is seen, is both new and eternal."
Theodoret of Cyr, Therapy for pagan ills (cfr. VI, 74 ... 79)
http://www.vatican.va/spirit/documents/spirit_20001201_teodoreto_en.html
God cannot predestine people to sin. It is against His nature. He is absolute beauty, truth, holiness, goodness, and the absolute of every virtue. It is totally impossible.
He can use people and what they do to fulfill His purposes. But it is blasphemy to attribute to God the workings of the devil. God does not create us for destruction. "Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye." Ezekiel 18:23, 32
How did I torture the verse? I merely quoted it. Then I gave historical fact. Are you arguing that the Canon of Scripture was not decided until the late 300s? If the traditions mentioned by St. Paul are not those of the Apostles, what is he talking about then? He says the traditions are "by word or epistle." That means word of mouth OR written down.
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