Posted on 12/12/2006 10:51:32 PM PST by Coleus
What would the reaction of Protestants be if Catholic ping list holders picked a Protestant thread and the entire thread 1000+ posts over several days was consumed with Catholics arguing that sola scriptura, sola fide, etc. was totally wrong and heretical? What would the reaction be even if this had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the general topic of the thread? And if such a thread exists, could you please provide a link?
The article is a direct insult to all who do not believe in the Catholic Church's doctrine on the "Immacualte Conception". So you Catholics are free to call Protestants all manner of names including, "lovers of evil and in harmony with those who are bad, and who try to find evil in everything" and we're just supposed to sit idly by and take it?
This is not the Catholic Forum, it is the Religion Forum. If you want to avoid seeing any criticism of Catholicism, I'd suggest you find another forum. There are plenty of Catholic only forums out there where you can call us protestants every name in the book and we won't respond. But when you do it on an open forum, it is an open invitation to respond.
I would probably, in the words of my mother in law, "take the gas pipe" if I had to moderate here. :)
I would be inclined to say that the "venom" on any of these threads is fairly minimal. There are two or three individuals who seem more prone to it than others. And I know that there have been a few times out of frustration that I have said things that in retrospect I shouldn't have, and I suspect that others have done the same.
I do know for me personally, that several of the Protestants I argue with on here are people who I greatly respect and interact often with on other threads (generally pertaining to morality and pro-life) without any disagreement. There is ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION IN MY MIND of any Protestant's love for and devotion to our Lord and as long as they feel likewise about me, then I have no personal issue with any of them.
I'm afraid you have misunderstood me. No problem.
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Amen. Well said.
For instance, if a website has a few hateful articles that speaks poorly of the website - but the website itself is not on my "do not allow" list. However, if the website has a pattern of hateful articles, then I will not tolerate it here.
So if you believe tfp.org should be treated the same as chick.com - then convince me by a preponderance of evidence that tfp.org is a hate mongering website/organization.
***We know from Scripture that Jesus did not sin. The same can not be said for Mary.***
This is untrue, since nowhere in Scripture does it state that Mary sinned.
If through the blood of Christ we are in this life perfectly restored to the pre-Fall state, do you think all Christians should, at least when only around other baptized Christians, and when the temperature is sufficiently warm, like Adam and Eve not wear any clothes?
The Church teaches that although baptism removes original sin, it does not remove concupiscence, i.e. the disordered desire by which we have a disposition or inclination to sin. The Church also teaches that the manner in which original sin is propagated is a mystery. Concupiscence in the [biological] parents, however, is sufficient for there being original sin in the offspring, even if both parents have been baptized and so have been cleansed of original sin. This is part of the reason why Mary had to be kept pure not only from original sin, but also from concupiscence, by means of her immaculate conception. For if she had been tainted by original sin, then even if she had, say, received a Christian baptism prior to conceiving Christ, concupiscence would have remained in her, and original sin thereby transmitted to her offspring.
-A8
Did I say that the Bible said that Mary sinned? No, I said that we can't know from Scripture that she did not sin.
Quite frankly I don't think I've seen more than a couple of protestant threads in the last few months where that has not happened. Nearly every Protestant Thread is eventually visited by the Catholic Swarm at some point and then the thread devolves into another mostly catholic thread. Then after the Catholics hijack the thread, they complain that it is the protestants who are attempting to hijack the thread.
It is a viscious circle. But we don't complain. We welcome the Catholic Swarm.
Are you speaking of the Jack Chick website?
"...I said that we can't know from Scripture that she did not sin."
Exactly. And in the same fashion, we cannot know from Scripture that Mary sinned. So on a matter of faith such as this, where the Scriptural record is ambiguous (although, as I've pointed out in previous posts, if anything, the wording of the Scriptures seem to indicate Mary's sinlessness), surely we Catholics cannot be criticized for accepting the long-held view of the Church, the defender of the Apostolic faith and the "pillar and bulwark of the truth," right?
Does this article accurate represent the pattern of behavior at tfp.org? I don't think so, but feel free to convince me.
Another example might be the website of a church which has a copy of the fabricated oath often attributed to the Knights of Columbus. That they have one hateful page does not mean the church itself is a hate monger, they could be misinformed on that particular point but otherwise not hateful.
Jack Chick's website (like Jesus-is-Lord.com) has a pattern of hateful articles and thus I have disallowed it.
Open threads are like a town square. All beliefs are to be treated with an even hand. Challenges, ridicule and the like are allowed - providing the discussion does not turn personal.
Closed threads are like the closed door of a chapel or church. The assembly is not to be disturbed, and I will remove challenges, ridicule and the like. Devotionals and prayer threads are closed.
But there is a third type of closed thread which can be declared for a gathering of like minded believers, a caucus. Caucuses may be used to discuss liturgy, missions, business, theology. But a caucus must never be "anti-" another confession either in the article or in the replies. If that happens, the thread will be open to rebuttal.
By its title alone, this thread would have never qualified for a caucus. Rebuttals are always allowed when a thread contains assertions which are "anti" any other confession.
Is she numbered among the "all" in Romans 3:23? Is she numbered among the "all" in 1 Tim 2:4 or 2 Pet 3:9?
Romans 3:23 states that "all" have fallen short of the Glory of God. Since Christ is God he would be exempt. But Mary is not God. Thus she would have to be considered to have both sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
When Paul wrote this he was undoubtedly aware of Mary's position, so if he felt that she was exempt, he would not have said "all" without exception, he would have said all have fallen short of the Glory of God and the Glory of Mary.
Just to clarify, the Catholic Church has NO AFFILIATION with this website.
I was Presbyterian once, too. Our Blessed Mother led me home last year (after an almost 20 year detour in the Episcopal church).
I will say that the Presbyterian church gave me an excellent grounding in Bible study. (Except for the Bible verse explanations which didn't make any sense.)
:)
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