To: Alex Murphy
Some of these groups, like this one, go far overboard, IMO. However, the real story here is that his premise about the wussification of Christian men is 100% correct.
For a good read on the subject, I reccommend "Wild at Heart" by John Eldredge.
2 posted on
12/07/2006 8:05:45 AM PST by
JamesP81
(If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
To: Alex Murphy
One more note. While I think Stine takes some things too far, things like this:
His speakers admit to masturbation and adultery. A workshop called "Training the Penis" encourages men to talk openly about temptation and bond with guys who share their struggles.
need to happen. Christian men need to be able to talk about these things among each other and with their pastors and, in that, this fellow is doing a good thing.
The Church has been overly feminized.
3 posted on
12/07/2006 8:09:44 AM PST by
JamesP81
(If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
To: Alex Murphy
The Fathers in the Desert didn't know much about 'Jesus meek and mild', but knew plenty about the Divine Logos who emptied Himself taking the form of a servant. The icon of Christ Pantocrator from St. Catherine Monastery in Sinai doesn't show Our Savior as a feminized wuss:
It also, very cleverly, gives a visual presentation of Orthodox Christology for the unlettered.
4 posted on
12/07/2006 8:12:44 AM PST by
The_Reader_David
(And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
To: Alex Murphy
6 posted on
12/07/2006 8:38:56 AM PST by
ichabod1
(After the attacks of 9/11, profiling Muslims is more like profiling the Klan.)
To: Alex Murphy
I'm all for biblical manhood and womanhood(aka complementarianism) and I think that the church has become somewhat overly femenized, but I also think the whole manliness christianity movement is kind of crazy. It's really soul-market driven nonsense whe you get dumb cliche's like. "Do not think Sunday morning worship," Caldwell says. "Think Saturday afternoon tailgate."
To: Alex Murphy
Stine races through a frenetic stand-up routine, drawing laughs with his rants against liberals, atheists and the politically correct.
Our (Western) House of Freedom is so completely divided into parochial denominations of Jews,Orthodox, Christians, Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, Methodists, 7th Day Adventists, Mormons, Taoists, Buddhists, Confucionists, Atheists and Agnostics, it will be impossible to mount an army against the drumbeat of Islamofascist nihilists unless we join hands to defeat them. Freedom loving peoples must put aside their inconsequential differences for mutual survival...as did the Jews and Christians in WWII, the results of which have enriched all of us.
14 posted on
12/07/2006 9:07:03 AM PST by
sodpoodle
(Human destiny - who lost the road map?)
To: Alex Murphy
This is going way too far in the other direction, and it's using hype and appeals to our baser nature rather than inviting the spirit of God. Preach the gospel, the elect will come when they hear the shepherds voice.
18 posted on
12/07/2006 9:54:39 AM PST by
Grig
To: Alex Murphy
It is wussified. My sister, a church musician, was telling me that there are some churches that have events called "A Tea with Jesus," where the (elderly) ladies show up wearing bridal outfits, and there are others that have events called "A Date with Jesus." She said somebody asked if, when one of the participants gets a real boyfriend, she has to break up with Jesus.
The above are Protestant churches, but it's only slightly better among Catholics, where everything is heavily dominated by female "Eucharistic ministers" or people who lead the "prayer blanket ministry." Personally, I think one of the reasons there was so much acceptance of gay priests is that little old ladies absolutely adore gay men.
Seriously, it's all so female-directed (and theologically wrong) that it's no wonder men stay away. I'm a woman, btw, so I can say this!
23 posted on
12/07/2006 1:18:49 PM PST by
livius
To: Alex Murphy
Factor in the pressure to be a "Christian nice guy" no cussing, no confrontation, in tune with the wife's emotions and it's amazing men keep the faith at all. Well, I am not sure what he means by confrontations, but I seem to recall that Jesus said something about turning the other cheek, agreeing with your adversary, and loving your enemies.
As for avoiding bad language and keeping in tune with the wife's emotions, both seem to be good ideas. If my wife isn't happy, no one in the house is.
To: Alex Murphy
Alex, you have a fun life. You just post...and run.
25 posted on
12/07/2006 7:25:22 PM PST by
norge
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