Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: Kolokotronis; All

It sure can be hard for the major families of Christianity to dance together to different time signatures. Protestants waltz along in 3/4 time praying to the Father in the Name of Jesus with the power of the Holy Spirit. Meanwhile, our dear Catholic friends have an additional partner in their dance, and try to convince us that the true waltz is done in 4/4 time! God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and goddess the Mother all want to dance with you!


952 posted on 12/09/2006 7:05:43 PM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 951 | View Replies ]


To: TomSmedley

LOL! Mary is not a goddess! She was created, therefore, not eternal.


953 posted on 12/09/2006 7:08:13 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 952 | View Replies ]

To: TomSmedley

"Meanwhile, our dear Catholic friends have an additional partner in their dance, and try to convince us that the true waltz is done in 4/4 time! God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and goddess the Mother all want to dance with you!"

There is a certain amount of fairness in what you say as a practical matter. But that isn't at all what the Latin Church actually teaches. Unfortunately, like with the filioque, trying to address one problem which arose out of a mistaken speculation raised to the level of, if not specifically, dogma, here that the Theotokos of necessity as a daughter of Eve was conceived with a "macula" or stain of sin, Original Sin, on her soul and in such a state could not possibly have been fit to carry God, a formulation had to be developed which solved the problem. Hence, unlike all the rest of mankind, all the other children of Eve, the Theotokos was preserved through a special grace not otherwise available to the rest of us, from the stain and was thus worthy to carry God. The problem lies not with the ever sinless state of the Theotokos, but with the claim that she was specially preserved...but preserved from something which the Eastern Church has never agreed even existed. And the result of that otherwise logical solution to a perceived, if unreal, problem, at a minimum among the vast run of Roman Catholics is the notion that the Theotokos was ontologically different from the rest of us. Its not much of a leap from that to notions that she is in some manner a "goddess", though that term isn't used, or its near cognate "Co-Redemptrix" which can be explained in a perfectly patristic manner, and sometimes is, but which almost never is understood in anything approaching a non-heretical way because the usual mistaken understanding is a denial of the Trinity.

At base, if one were to do away with the +Augustinian notion of Original Sin, the reason for the dogma of the Immaculate Conception would evaporate and misconceptions about the meaning of that unfortunate term "Co-Redemptrix" would likewise disappear...and for Latin and Orthodox Christians, the Theotokos would remain just as ever sinless as she is perceived through the lens of the Immaculate Conception dogma.


954 posted on 12/09/2006 7:25:32 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 952 | View Replies ]

To: TomSmedley
our dear Catholic friends have an additional partner in their dance, and try to convince us that the true waltz is done in 4/4 time! God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, and goddess

Ignorance is bliss.

970 posted on 12/09/2006 9:13:37 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 952 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson