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our perspective, Paul has been ignorred while a very narrow interpretation of James has been embraced.

The Catholic interpretation of James 2 is direct and literal. What he says, we believe: "not by faith alone are ye saved". Nowhere did I disagree or negate St. Paul. I agree with his every word. I am Catholic, remember? In fact, I quote from Paul quite a bit to proof the salvific role of works of love. In fact, is it not Paul who said "greatest of [the theological virtues of hope, faith and love] is love"?

our side made a correction

And now I scripturally corrected your "correction".

But how does one know what is true?

Familiar question. "For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. Every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice" (John 18:37). This is what Christ told His disciples: "when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you" (John 16:13), and also "the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you" (John 14:26). So what is the truth? The Church is, of course, the "ground and pillar of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).

We should spend our time in study of the Word of God

As St. Jerome said, ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ. My advice to all Protestants is, study the scripture but do not study it alone. Study it with the fathers of the Church, because in them you have a historical witness of the intended meaning.

8,977 posted on 02/05/2007 5:01:10 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
To: Blogger our perspective, Paul has been ignorred while a very narrow interpretation of James has been embraced.

The Catholic interpretation of James 2 is direct and literal.
And out of the context of the whole of Scripture.

What he says, we believe: "not by faith alone are ye saved". Nowhere did I disagree or negate St. Paul.
You disagree and negate Paul when you dismiss his abundant testimony that salvation is NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast. You rationalize it as "these kind of works verses those kind of works" - a distinction not supported by Scripture.

I agree with his every word. I am Catholic, remember? In fact, I quote from Paul quite a bit to proof the salvific role of works of love. In fact, is it not Paul who said "greatest of [the theological virtues of hope, faith and love] is love"?
Paul does not say that love is salvific. Love accompanies true salvation. It is not salvific.

our side made a correction

And now I scripturally corrected your "correction".

I was speaking of the Reformation. And, no you didn't. You gave your interpretation.


But how does one know what is true?
Familiar question. "For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. Every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice" (John 18:37). This is what Christ told His disciples: "when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things soever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you" (John 16:13), and also "the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you" (John 14:26).

AH! We agree on something!!!!

And then, this! Argghhhhhhh!!!!! So what is the truth? The Church is, of course, the "ground and pillar of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).
So close and yet so far. Incidentally, there is nothing in the Greek that prohibits that verse from saying that God is the ground and pillar of the truth. Something to think bout.


We should spend our time in study of the Word of God
As St. Jerome said, ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ. My advice to all Protestants is, study the scripture but do not study it alone. Study it with the fathers of the Church, because in them you have a historical witness of the intended meaning.

The Fathers are not Scripture. The Fathers were not always inspired. We will stick with Scripture, but thanks for the offer.

Incidentally, Jerome also said this - but it seems to be ignorred with regularity...""As the Church reads the books of Judith and Tobit and Maccabees but does not receive them among the canonical Scriptures, so also it reads Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus for the edification of the people, not for the authoritative confirmation of doctrine."
8,983 posted on 02/05/2007 5:24:02 PM PST by Blogger
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