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To: timer; Quix; Alamo-Girl; Cvengr

Thank you for your reply about Noah and no, you haven't told me about it before. This was your first reply to me.

Your reference to "storm surge" is well taken. Katrina's waters came to my front and back doors. Some not so lucky neighbors are just now finishing rebuilding or replacing the damaged items (mainly due to insurance companies not willing to pay). I know about the NE quadrant of a hurricane but I don't think that can compare to the flood of Noah. The story doesn't imply a huge storm but rather a lot of water.

I believe the 40 days is correct as that number in Biblical Numerics means probation and is used as such throughout the Bible. Even if you were correct and it was actually 4 days - no hurricane lasts 4 days.

As to Noah and his family being illiterate Pakistani farmers - Timer, this was the family Jesus would come through so they weren't of Pakistani origin, unless you just mean to reference it as a place of residence. Why do you think he was illiterate? They weren't cave men. God didn't just plunk the Adamic family down. Enoch was his great grandfather and "Enoch walked with God". Surely they were given great knowledge on how to live in this world and instructed in the mysteries of God.

Your statement of "you can convince a 5 year old of anything,a 95 year old of nothing" in reference to Abram is funny and true. That is why Jesus said "Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." It's difficult to take something you believe in, have been taught as truth by respected people and then change - we become stubborn with age.

There are many myths in this world and I agree that as a story is told it can become very different over the years but that is not what happened here. The Bible is Divinely inspired, it is His Word - Jesus is The Word. It is not a myth. How that Word is taught, how it is interpreted can cause great damage. It is imperative that His Word be taught/read chapter by chapter and verse by verse for a full understanding. And even then, He only gives what He feels you are ready for. The more you work the more you receive.

Back to Noah - You said, "So later he gets drunk, parties naked, etc....". That isn't what happned. He and his wife did get drunk but he wasn't angry because his son saw him in a naked state. The phrase "uncovered his father's nakedness" means incest. Leviticus 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness:.....

Your question of "why do kangaroos only live in Australia?"
My belief is that only farm animals, or animals in that location were taken on the ark. Whether it was a world wide flood or not, I don't know. There is another verse that used the phrase over the whole earth and it was just that area. There are signs of a world wide flood which I believe was the kataballo, the overthrow, the cataclysmic event that ended the first world age. That event is why we find fossils of African hippos, camels, etc. in Nebraska.

Your assertion of the justification for their superiority I believe is in the eye of the beholder. God Himself tells of His chosen people and that certainly hasn't given anyone an easy ride in this world age. It doesn't mean superior, it does mean chosen to be a servant to God, to take his message to others. What evil men, such as Hitler do, I believe is ordained by their father and their father is not our Father.

Thank you again


8,797 posted on 02/03/2007 11:05:26 AM PST by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong

Eventually you'll understand the noah flood story as a myth based on a KATRINA type hurricane that he survived on his raft out in the gulf of arabia. The problem was that the only way these illierate pakistanis had of retaining historical events was thru family lore. All primitive peoples have certain persons designated as "memory people" who memorize their own tribe's history.

You can demonstrate how entropy(chaos)creeps into order(signal)very easily. Sit 10 people in a circle, facing outwards. Each person whispers a nonsensical sentence in the person to the right's ear, like : Jack's rabbit jumped over the quarter moon. Thus as each of the 10 sentences travel around the circle, it is filtered thru 9 other ears/minds/memories. When it gets back to you, in your left ear, it will be practically unrecognizable.

Go ahead, DO IT. Then you'll understand how the noah sea survival story gets jinned up, made into a MYTH over the 7 succeeding generations of ILLITERATE people. Still another 7 generations to young ABRAM when it's finally WRITTEN DOWN...and one can see how a true story, fit for the Readers Digest Book Section, is warped into a MYTH.

So, like linus with his security blanket you hide away from the TRUTH, but I sir am a righteous man. I seek TRUTH wherever it may be found. As a five year old you were taught the noah myth in sunday school, you're no longer 5 years old, yes?

And yet the world is FULL of suckers(PT Barnum)ripe for the anti-christ to lead astray. The devil has always been the trickster, the flim-flam man, the con artist and if you don't have the sense to see the noah myth for what it is, he'll snare you too.

Once again he'll use the trick hitler used on the german people : You are BEAUTIFUL, FANTASTIC, SUPERIOR in every way. A CON ALWAYS SOUNDS WONDERFUL. It wouldn't work if it didn't SOUND WONDERFUL. That's how the SUCKER is always hooked.

Thus you have noah = pakistani propaganda = jewish myth; and hitler = aryan superiority = nazi killing machine. As the sign on the post office wall says : If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. How many pieces of junk mail do you get that tell you that you won the BIG PRIZE?

Jesus said that you are worth more than the whole earth. What he's referring to is your QUALITATIVE SPIRIT, not your puny little body walking around on an ocean bottom. When you die it's your SPIRIT body that goes on. Me? I'm a righteous guy, finding out the TRUTH of things is what I'm about, not going with the buffalo herd over the cliff....

And speaking of cliffs and floods : the flood road in next ping.


8,823 posted on 02/03/2007 4:49:26 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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