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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The lost voices of the world want you and I to believe that our salvation is in flux, impermanent, unaccomplished once for all time. They want us frightened and obedient to those on earth who barter our sureness.

What? Are you paranoid? If you feel you are OSAS then what does it matter what others think? And if OSAS would it matter if you were weak like the human you are and thought wrongly that you weren't AS? Is that a sin in your book? And if it is, who cares we are AS. I could realign my logic in time - sin is all gone.

Christ died on the cross to pay for every sin every believer ever has or will ever commit, and He rose from the dead to prove it all true.

True. Christ takes away sin and died for us. Without Christ's life, death and resurrection, we'd be utter slaves to sin with no hope. Who is trying to fool me on this? The Catholic church does not teach that sin is forgiven through any other than Christ. Were you taught that Catholics believe something else? What makes you think this? Let me assure you that all Catholics know this from the Church, the Bible and Tradition.

Do you doubt Christ died for you?

No. Why would you ask such a question? I am a Catholic. Do you feel you are talking to a Muslim or Jew?

Do you doubt Christ paid for your sins?

No. I simply asked you your interpretation of Heb 10 because you act as if the sins you commit after you have received the Gospel do not impact your relationship with Christ. You act as if you are 100% spirit and once you know something your entire soul never fails to act as Christ would want a Child of God to act. You write to me like I have never seen the bible or been baptized or rejoiced in Christ's love. Please come to understand the fullness and goodness of the Catholic faith because your understanding is not correct. I'd like it if we could discuss this "touchy" subject in all frankness, not to paint each other into a false corner but to learn and commune as Christ would want.

I do not agree with your interpretation. It is not as clear as you say. We are not spirits only and the Bible does not back up the way you see it 100%.

How about Mt 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
8,611 posted on 02/02/2007 12:20:37 PM PST by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: klossg
Christ takes away sin

We still sin. But Christ paid the penalty for those sins. Christ took away the penalty. Past tense. It is over. We have been redeemed. Christ atoned for our sins "while we were yet sinners." "One sacrifice for sins for ever."

We are daily being sanctified by the Holy Spirit and at our death we will be glorified in His presence.

Re: Matthew 7:21 -- we do the will of the Father by one fact...

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." -- Philippians 2:13

8,620 posted on 02/02/2007 12:40:52 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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