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Re: [ Mary is the mother of the Son. That's why He's called the Son of man. The Son of man can only be called that if they had a mother. ]

" Wrong..

You can't say wrong without addressing the logic specifically. Is the Son of man God? The only way to say it is wrong, is to say either: the Son of man is not God, or the Son of man was not a man.

"Jesus existed (as son) before he entered his earthly body"

Jesus did not "enter" a body. Jesus was a man born of woman, just like all other men. Most of the answer to this, I covered here. I do not believe in such things as supernatural spirits. The body is a physical machine that supports the functions of a sentient rational being. The life giving force is in the physics of the machine. The spirit refers to the person, or self that's generated from the capacity of that machine.

"Jesus has always existed. ...The Spirit of the Son(Jesus) is (and was) eternal."

Lets examine some of the words and concepts used here. First is the word eternal. The word eternal refers to time, which is a dimension that measures duration of existence, and sequence of interaction, which can include cause and efffect. Some might say that God is timeless. That's impossible, because the duration of existence would be zero, and there is no meaning to the word eternal at all. In order to exist, a time dimension is essential.

That time does not need to be on the same clock as this world's time. The existence of the clock allows for the concept of eternity to be meaningful and the concept of sequential events in time applies.

Jesus was begotten. That means that the incarnation occurred in time. Regardless of the fact that this world's clock is different than Heaven's, the incarnation was not eternal. Also, God must have decided at some point to create. It's illogical to claim that God eternally decided to create. It's also illogical to say the incarnation was eternal on the same grounds.

What is known is that man is in the image and likeness of God. Symmetry applies, because of the equality and the opposite is true. This applies to capacity only, not on anything generated by that capacity. So, as per the explanation of trinity, given in the above link, the capacity of Jesus, generated those aspects of the Holy Spirit of God, which were solely as a result of human action. Although the values held were the same, the judgments and actions taken, were done as truly human action. The eternal Father, whose spirit was the Holy Spirit, could never do that. Only a human, in truly human condition could do that. Since the Spirit was to be the same as a result of that human action. God's Spirit, the Holy Spirit, was dependent on the actions of Jesus. That is the nature that resulted in the announcement of pride from the Father at Jesus' action and decision to be Baptized.

So, although Jesus occured in time, His was the same eternal Spirit that was the Father's. They are one, but it can not be said, that all of the Holy Spirit was within Jesus during His earthly life, or the additions to the Spirit, that God as man provided, were eternal before God's pondering creation itself. What can also, be said, is that it's the same Holy Spirit, and never contradicted itself. That is eternal.

So, since both the Father and the Son are responsible for that Holy Spirit, Jesus was right to say I Am. Just as man is the right hand man for his soul, so too was Jesus the right hand man of God. It's the spirit that's common to each person of a trinity and each person of that trinity is identified as the same individual. In this case, the individual is identified as God. So, Mary, being the mother of the indivual that is recognized as God incarnate, is the mother of God. To say anything else, would require denial of God's humanity and Gen 1 itself.

Thank you so much for including me in this sidebar you having with spunkets!

The things that spunkets is addressing here and on the link provided on his reply are fascinating to me – an attempt to reconcile perhaps physical and spiritual realities?

You know me, hosepipe, I can’t seem to get enough of physics and especially geometric physics. LOL!

At any rate, such reconciliations are things I put in the “musings” category, but if you are interested, here are my thoughts on the matter:

First, is the Jewish interpretation that the reason there was a beginning at all was that God the Father wanted to reveal Himself.

In the beginning – regardless of cosmology (cyclic, inflationary, epkyrotic, multi-world, multi-verse, imaginary time, hesitating, etc.) all that exists is God Himself. Space and time do not exist, neither does causality.

In the absence of time, events cannot occur.

In the absence of space, things cannot exist.

Without space/time there is no energy, no matter, no thing at all. Only existence exists, i.e. God.

IOW, the beginning (both physical and spiritual) was a willful act of God the Creator. (First Cause) Which is to say there is nothing of which anything can be made but God Himself. Reality is God's will and unknowable in its fullness.

But God is Light and in Him there is no darkness at all. He is good and not evil. So I meditated and prayed why this is so.

In response to that prayer, I now have peace in the spirit with this understanding: God has revealed Himself by contrast. How would we know light if we had never seen darkness? Good if we had never seen evil? Sickness v. health, courage v. fear, right v. wrong – and so on.

And so The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was placed in the Garden of Eden, in plain sight of Adam, by God Himself. (Gen 2) Adam was to observe it and not to participate in it.

It was a sign (language) to Adam standing there. Adam could see the fruits of good and of evil – but he was not to make those fruits part of himself by feeding on it under pain of death death. (Gen 2)

To use a modern metaphor, it is as if Adam was being shown a stage play so that he could understand the difference between good and evil to comprehend that God is good and not evil. But instead of watching the show to absorb this revelation of God, he jumped onstage and became a part of it. But the firmament between the two is like a one way mirror. He could be seen, but he could not see. He couldn’t step off the stage and thus he was banned to mortality, physical reality, doomed to be an actor in the play he was intended to watch (Genesis 4.)

He did it to himself. The only way Adam can get off that stage is to be born anew as a spectator, that is what Christ accomplished in the Resurrection.

So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit. – I Cor 15:42-45

Because of Christ, Adamic men can return home, to where they belonged in the first place. To follow the metaphor, to be reborn into the audience (spiritual reality.)

You see, it was never “about” this heaven and earth – from the beginning, it has always been about the next heaven and earth [Final Cause] - Genesis to Revelation – God and His family and those to whom He has revealed Himself and with whom He will always live.

All of this brings me to my final point, that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God (emphasis mine):

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. – John 1:1-3

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Col 1:15-20

Here is the distinction (and where some around here raise their eyebrows at me) – Jesus Christ was caused by God the Father, He was begotten of the Father. He not only had a beginning, He is the beginning [First Cause]. He is also the end, the reason for the Creation – both physical and spiritual [Final Cause]. The Alpha and the Omega.

Any hoot, those are my musings...