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To: xzins
I am only talking about clarity of communication.Tell it to Nestorius.

I think it's time for those who dispute the title to bring an adult, literate, who has an IQ of 95 or above, who upon hearing the phrase "mother of God" concluded that Mary ante-dated God or was in any way, including chronological superior to God. I keep hearing about how confusing this now ancient title of our Lady is, but I see no one who is actually confused.

I think if Barbara Bush were my wife OR my mother I'd live in fear. Admiring fear, but fear. I bet she taught Dick Cheney how to shoot.

7,710 posted on 01/27/2007 7:48:53 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: Mad Dawg
Talking to myself here ...

It's like this. I know a Peruvian woman. I knew her when she was 19 or so. She got pregnant before being married. She believed the RCC's teaching about artificial birth control.

She didn't get that the whole thing is a unitary package, and that, y'see, there's this other teaching about intercourse when you're not married: Don't.

Kolo et al. are going in this direction: If you pull the phrase "Mother of God" out of the Church, who knows what will happen? Ditto with, "Jesus is God."

Fornication (which is to say 'illicit sexual intercourse') is no less a sin because you don't add the use of weird devices or hormones to it. I can see telling the judge, "Yeah, I shot him, but I didn't cuss at him." The correct answer is,"Good! Not cussing is good. But you're still a murderer."

More appositely, eschewing Artificial Birth Control is not a virtue when done in the context of fornication.

As Kolo says, or at least suggests, devotion to our Lady assumes the context of the Church, the Creeds, the whole Megillah.

If I say,"I personally would not mind firing the bullet that helped Osama to his final destination," you would probably need to know a little history to avoid thinking that I want to shoot rich Arabs.

So if Theotokos is confusing, if there actually IS somebody who is confused by it and not just somebody displaying unneeded compassion for the someday possibly confused, that is not sufficient to show it's a bad term, anyumpore than Bush's (ONE of the Bushes anyway ...) saying, "Bring it ON!". What looks like swagger in some contexts is perfectly good on others.

Let's roll.

7,721 posted on 01/27/2007 8:03:25 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("It's our humility which makes us great." -- Click and Clack, the Tappet Brothers)
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To: Mad Dawg; xzins

"who has an IQ of 95 or above, who upon hearing the phrase "mother of God" concluded that Mary ante-dated God or was in any way"

I don't know whether I qualify with the IQ requirement but as a child I heard my grandfather yell "mother of God" while holding his thumb up when he clipped the end of his thumb, chopping wood. I thought for a while that was odd that he called his thumb that.


7,743 posted on 01/27/2007 8:48:52 AM PST by blue-duncan
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