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To: kosta50; Blogger; The_Reader_David; Kolokotronis
We cannot be saved by works, but our works will be the basis of our judgment. So, shed that cozy, don't-worry-be-happy macarena attitude dear protestant brothers, and get to work!

Protestants "get to work" by sharing the Gospel of Christ with millions of people who have never heard it before. How do the Orthodox "get to work"? :)

There is no salvation before judgment. ... Only after judgment will we be either saved or condemned; only then will we have a ticket to heaven or hell. ... and while none of us deserve salvation, some will receive it for no other reason that God's incredible mercy.

My conception of theosis was an attainment of something, but here it sounds more like an awarding of something. Does that distinction make any sense?

6,222 posted on 01/16/2007 7:47:14 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper

Protestants in Russia usually get to work conning old timers out of their valuables.

Meantime the Russian church runs numerous Orhpanages and Schools, and many Hospitals. They work to get religion classes in public schools. They protest against abominal things like gay parades.


6,223 posted on 01/16/2007 8:00:01 AM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Blogger; The_Reader_David; Kolokotronis
Protestants "get to work" by sharing the Gospel of Christ with millions of people who have never heard it before. How do the Orthodox "get to work"? )

Living the faith, dying unto our pasisons, praying three times a day, charity, loving our enemies, practicing mercy, humility, confessions and communions, repentance, hungering for righteousness, thanking God for everything including bad days, leaving all your earthly cares...I wouldn't call it work. It's a life.

My conception of theosis was an attainment of something, but here it sounds more like an awarding of something

Yes, it's called likeness to Christ.

6,301 posted on 01/16/2007 1:46:10 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50

Oddly, the work we Orthodox do (ably described in kosta's reply) manages to get the sharing Christ work done, too, though without any obvious mechanism:

Siberia and Alaska were largely converted by monks who didn't go out to preach the Gospel, but to find a northern equivalent of the desert so beloved of the first monastics. Many native Alaskans attribute their conversion to St. Herman, a hermit (!)

And, we now have quite active mission fields in Africa (and in rechristianizing Albania and to a lesser extent Russia). In subsaharan Africa, though the spread of Orthodoxy got its start in what, from the time of the conversion of the Rus, has been a peculiarly Orthodox way: people came looking. As St. Vladimir went looking for the true monotheistic faith and concluded it was Holy Orthodoxy on the basis of our liturgy in its most glorious expression, in East Africa Christians whose ancestors had converted by protestant missionaries began wondering which church was the True Church, and on the basis of patristic and historical studies concluded Holy Orthodoxy was it.

Both stories have been repeated both individually and by groups: converts come to the Church by wandering in and being smitten by the beauty of Orthodox worship (Bishop. Dmitri of the OCA, for example, was raised as a Baptist, but started sneaking off to an Orthodox church as a youth--his sister is now an Orthodox nun) or by studying the history of Christianity as a whole and concluding the same thing the East Africans did (Jaroslav Pelikan--Memory Eternal!--the foremost church historian of the 20th century and the body of protestant evangelicals who converted under the leadership of Fr. Peter Gilquist, being examples).


6,365 posted on 01/16/2007 4:51:44 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; Blogger; The_Reader_David

"My conception of theosis was an attainment of something, but here it sounds more like an awarding of something. Does that distinction make any sense?"

Sadly, nope! :)


6,372 posted on 01/16/2007 5:15:09 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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