It begs the question, do you CONTROL the HOLY SPIRIT, or does the HOLY SPIRIT indwell all believers?
And he brought him to Jesus. And Jesus looking upon him, said: Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is interpreted Peter.
*The very first time Jesus met Simon, He told him He would change his name to ROCK.
Do you think Jesus just went about, like John Belushi in Animal House, giving nicknames to new pledges?
Come on...This is serious business>
Try to IMAGINE the SHOCK when Jesus said this...who had EVER been called Peter in Palestine prior to this?
Nobody. No...body.Think about how this name change signified the fact that Jesus was not only going to give him a new name but a new function...
"Because you people left The Church and your leaders have no valid ordinations?"
That brings up a good point. Does that mean that all of the Jewish synagogue leaders, like the one in Corinth with Paul, when they became believers and joined the church, have to turn in their circumcisions since they were no longer valid?
Well, I think there are other doors I'd like to choose. One would be a distinction between "reliably valid" and "possibly valid". Which is to say NO we don't control the Spirit, but God promised, etc. So we "KNOW" (within the terms of the discussion) that THESE orderes over HERE are valid, but we don't know about THOSE ones - maybe they are, maybe not.
And then the other "hair-spliitng" -- I'm sticking with my strengths here -- would fall under the "diversity of gifts of the Spirit" column. That yeah all the Baptized are granted the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean every baptized person gets all the charismata. - As we used to say, The priesthood of ALL believers does not mean the priesthood of EACH believer. Just distinguishing (hair-splitting) here ...