[blue-duncan]

"Because you people left The Church and your leaders have no valid ordinations?"

That brings up a good point. Does that mean that all of the Jewish synagogue leaders, like the one in Corinth with Paul, when they became believers and joined the church, have to turn in their circumcisions since they were no longer valid?

[kawaii]

i think its worth looking up what the Jews said regarding Hebrew 'clergy' who converted to Christianity. I doubt the Jews accepted them back on the basis of circumcisions alone.

[wmfights]

Does that mean that all of the Jewish synagogue leaders, like the one in Corinth with Paul, when they became believers and joined the church, have to turn in their circumcisions since they were no longer valid?

Thanks BD great point.

Acts 13 is straightforward that the HOLY SPIRIT will call out individuals and after that the church will pray for them and "lay hands on them". Therefor valid ordination can be found anywhere the HOLY SPIRIT is calling out believers. Thus, the theory of Apostolic Succession falls if it's based on the ordination of leaders.

So what is the basis for the THEORY of Apostolic Succession? We already know it's not from Apostles appointing Bishops, they didn't. We also know it's not from the ordination process because that's driven by the HOLY SPIRIT. Is it just "tradition"?

[bornacatholic]

Once given, I don't think it right to try and take back your tips.