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To: wmfights
As a Christian I worry about those that might get caught up in false doctrine. I see statues, people praying to Mary etc. and it sure looks like they've been taught to go somewhere other than the source of our salvation, Jesus. In times of trouble usually the first words out of my mouth are "JESUS help me..." not "oh Mary full of grace..."

Keep in mind, there are 1 billion plus Catholics in the world. The Catholic Faith is deep, wide, ancient and incredibily rich. We do not exclude people because they chose to ask the Saints to pray for them, just as we don't exclude people who ask their living friends and family to pray for them. Indeed, Catholics see no difference between the living Church here on Earth, and the Living Communion of Saints in Heaven. Both are available to intercede for us with Christ.

Of course, we absolutely would exclude anyone who taught that Mary or any of the Saints was greater than or equal to the Holy Trinity.

And don't worry--within the Catholic Church there is no lacking of true WORSHIP of Christ. If you have ever watched a traditional Tridentine Rite Mass, that fact would come forth loud and clear.
449 posted on 12/06/2006 11:13:41 AM PST by Antoninus (When your party's platform is "Vote for US because THEY will be worse," prepare to lose.)
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To: Antoninus
"Both are available to intercede for us with Christ."

Obviously we are never going to agree. In this instance I can't help but think to myself, "why aren't you going straight to our Saviour, Jesus Christ?". He's never too busy for us and nothing is to small.
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"Of course, we absolutely would exclude anyone who taught that Mary or any of the Saints was greater than or equal to the Holy Trinity."

Don't you teach/believe that prayers to Mary are given special consideration? Don't you teach/believe Mary was born without sin and never died but was assumed into heaven? Don't you teach/believe that Mary is the "Queen of Heaven"? Looking from the outside in I see these things and can't help but think you are elevating Mary to a status she does not deserve.

I don't see anything wrong with having the most profound respect for Mary, but I don't agree with all these other characteristics that are attributed to her.
481 posted on 12/06/2006 2:29:45 PM PST by wmfights (Romans 8:37-39)
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