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To: Blogger; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD
Not correct Kosta. It is very "Calvinist" and I ARE one :)

Well, you may bounce that off your fellow Calvinsits, Dr. Eckleburg and Harley D, and others who have on numerous occasions made it very clear that free will is just something "silly" the Church believes in. Apparently not all Calvinsits believe/profess the same thing.

4,388 posted on 01/08/2007 3:58:38 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD

Well, guys, what say you? When Adam and Eve were created, did God give them free will which was then corrupted by the fall through the noetic effects of sin? Or have I completely misunderstood?

Kosta, God IS in charge. If God did not ordain that He would permit the fall (permit the fall is in the actual language of most of these documents), then you have a God who is NOT Sovereign, who is a reactionary, and whom you can not trust to make sure everything turns out okay because who knows, maybe man will screw this up too.


4,390 posted on 01/08/2007 4:47:38 AM PST by Blogger (In nullo gloriandum quando nostrum nihil sit- Cyprian)
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To: kosta50
Well, you may bounce that off your fellow Calvinsits, Dr. Eckleburg and Harley D, and others who have on numerous occasions made it very clear that free will is just something "silly" the Church believes in. Apparently not all Calvinsits believe/profess the same thing.

If we truly believed that we would be out of sync with Calvin, the Westminster Confession, and Luther. Man has a choice; it's just that he always choose to do evil. It's like putting a cookie and broccoli in front of a three year old and asking him to choose one.

4,391 posted on 01/08/2007 5:11:25 AM PST by HarleyD ("For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost." Lk 19:10)
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