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To: Forest Keeper
I don't see how a non-elect would be in a position to ask God for anything. I thought we are told that God does not hear their prayers.

His salvation is there for anyone and not all that believe in Christ are the elect. Wouldn't He hear the prayers of those that believed in Him? - (Mark 16:16)He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I'm not sure you are trying to say this, but I don't think that Paul is saying here that anyone is of the elect by birthright. Paul would completely contradict this idea in passages such as:

No, that wasn't what I meant. The verses you quoted (Gal 3:26-29), I believe, just means those that accept Christ - they are not necessarily the "elect" but they do become part of the family of Christ.

The elect are not just those that believe in Christ but are forordained, predestinated, justified, called to His purpose and glorified. (Rom.8:28-30)

They are the 7,000 mentioned in Romans 11:4 -

But what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."

The number 7 means spiritual completeness, so that 7,000 could mean as many as God wishes it to be, or it could mean literally 7,000. Personally, I believe it is much more. They are different than the others. They have a destiny in the end of days, which (I believe) the verse you quoted refers to:

1Peter 1:5.Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

I think the other verse you quoted also refers to the same thing - Phil 1:6 : ... being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

I think there certainly can be/is earthly punishment and correction for sins we commit after belief/salvation. However, I do not think the failure to repent for those sins jeopardizes our saved status. Jesus died for ALL of our sins once and for all:

I agree with that, in that it "doesn't jeopardize our saved status", but I wonder, if not repented for, would there be some repercussion on a celestial level?

15,788 posted on 06/27/2007 7:59:18 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong
His salvation is there for anyone and not all that believe in Christ are the elect. Wouldn't He hear the prayers of those that believed in Him?

I suppose we would honestly disagree here since there are so many verses that say simply that one who believes shall be saved, starting with the most famous verse.

The elect are not just those that believe in Christ but are foreordained, predestinated, justified, called to His purpose and glorified. (Rom.8:28-30) They are the 7,000 mentioned in Romans 11:4 -

LOL! I had to erase my original answer because I misunderstood you. This was my original opening: "If I am reading you correctly, you are saying that while all of the elect are saved, not all of the saved are the elect." But after more thought I don't think that's what you mean. I think instead what you mean is that one can be a true believer, but not be saved or of the elect. Now this sounds very similar to what you just told me in the first paragraph. The reason I bring all this up is that I didn't even notice that because this idea sounds so alien to me from a non-Apostolic. :) As I alluded to above, it is absolutely incomprehensible to me that God would ever turn His back (ultimately) on one who really has put his faith in Christ. In my view, there is too much scripture against that idea.

Are your views representative of a particular Christian faith (denomination)?

I agree with that, in that it "doesn't jeopardize our saved status", but I wonder, if not repented for, would there be some repercussion on a celestial level?

I hope I would not be one to complain if there is, but I wouldn't expect there to be. My view is that our justification for all sins within time was completed solely and fully by Christ on the cross. I see our repentance as being part of the faith that God gave us. So, while they are of course related, they are also distinguishable.

15,796 posted on 06/28/2007 5:48:04 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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