I suppose we would honestly disagree here since there are so many verses that say simply that one who believes shall be saved, starting with the most famous verse.
The elect are not just those that believe in Christ but are foreordained, predestinated, justified, called to His purpose and glorified. (Rom.8:28-30) They are the 7,000 mentioned in Romans 11:4 -
LOL! I had to erase my original answer because I misunderstood you. This was my original opening: "If I am reading you correctly, you are saying that while all of the elect are saved, not all of the saved are the elect." But after more thought I don't think that's what you mean. I think instead what you mean is that one can be a true believer, but not be saved or of the elect. Now this sounds very similar to what you just told me in the first paragraph. The reason I bring all this up is that I didn't even notice that because this idea sounds so alien to me from a non-Apostolic. :) As I alluded to above, it is absolutely incomprehensible to me that God would ever turn His back (ultimately) on one who really has put his faith in Christ. In my view, there is too much scripture against that idea.
Are your views representative of a particular Christian faith (denomination)?
I agree with that, in that it "doesn't jeopardize our saved status", but I wonder, if not repented for, would there be some repercussion on a celestial level?
I hope I would not be one to complain if there is, but I wouldn't expect there to be. My view is that our justification for all sins within time was completed solely and fully by Christ on the cross. I see our repentance as being part of the faith that God gave us. So, while they are of course related, they are also distinguishable.
"Love loves to be told what it knows already....
It wants to be asked for what it longs to give."
~P.T. Forsyth
But we don't disagree at all. I probably wasn't clear in what I wrote. I believe anyone that truly believes in Him will be saved.
If I am reading you correctly, you are saying that while all of the elect are saved, not all of the saved are the elect."
Yes, that is what I mean - all of the elect are saved unless they commit the unpardonable sin. All others are saved as long as they continue to believe in the true Christ and not the fake. If they mistakenly worship Satan, believing he is Christ then they no longer "believe in Him" and are not saved.
Both of these events can't happen until Satan's tribulation. Matthew 24:21.For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (22) And except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
That is Satan's tribulation and it will be full of lies and deceit. Most men (flesh) will be taken by his deception and they will believe he is Christ.
But after more thought I don't think that's what you mean. I think instead what you mean is that one can be a true believer, but not be saved or of the elect.
No, a true believer is saved but that doesn't make him one of the elect.
As I alluded to above, it is absolutely incomprehensible to me that God would ever turn His back (ultimately) on one who really has put his faith in Christ. In my view, there is too much scripture against that idea.
I agree, He would never do that.
Are your views representative of a particular Christian faith (denomination)?
I'm a non-denominational Christian.
When we were discussing the elect I forgot to mention something. There are the elect and the very elect. What I term the "very elect" would be the 7,000 mentioned in Rom.11:4. They are the ones spoken of in Matthew 24:9 that will be delivered up for a testimony and allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them. Because they do this many others will be brought back to Christ.
Those others are the elect, the 144,000:
Rev.7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.