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To: Ping-Pong
From my understanding there is only one unpardonable sin that an elect can commit and the only time that can be committed would be when they are delivered before Satan (death) and the Holy Spirit speaks through them. Only the elect are called to do this. That testimony will open many eyes and ears to truth. If they don't allow that to happen they are condemned as Satan and the fallen angels are.

That's interesting, I've never heard that before.

The chosen, called and faithful are His elect. They are the ones that face Satan (death) and allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them (as on Pentecost). All others will be deceived by Satan:

This is what I don't get: how can an elect fail at this point if the sin is unforgivable? Can an elect lose his salvation? I have never heard of that given the definition of an elect. Wouldn't that be Christ losing one of His sheep?

BTW, what is the difference between chosen, called, and faithful? I have never heard of that distinction before among the elect.

Note that here too "sin" is singular when it is about the unpardonable one, as the one you noticed, "the wages of sin is death".

Yes, that is fair enough.

I'm not sure of this at all. My belief is that He died for our sins but we must repent of those sins to be forgiven. [Acts 3:19] ...If we haven't repented but believe, we will be saved but what happens to the unrepentant for sins?

I do not believe it is possible to believe without having repented, that is, at the point of salvation. Who is a person that truly believes, but has not repented? That would make no sense to me. To believe requires minimal understanding, which would require the understanding of the necessity of repentance, i.e. that's a huge part of what "belief" and "salvation" means. Now, whether the idea of repentance is something that must be repeated over and over again throughout life towards justification, is a matter of strong contention I have with the Roman Catholics. :)


15,754 posted on 06/25/2007 3:21:00 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
This is what I don't get: how can an elect fail at this point if the sin is unforgivable? Can an elect lose his salvation? I have never heard of that given the definition of an elect. Wouldn't that be Christ losing one of His sheep?

Yes it would be Christ losing one of His sheep. It is very unlikely. Put yourself in that place. Loving God as you do, knowing the truth of what will happen at the end of days and that it is Satan sitting in Jerusalem, pretending to be Jesus - would you either start to worship him or would you not allow the Holy Sprit to speak through you? In order to commit the unpardonable sin that is what you would have to do. So, yes, they can lose their salvation but I don't believe anyone will.

That is the destiny of one of God's elect. Those that die before that time are referred to as the remnant. They bring His Word forward but the elect have a specific duty.

BTW, what is the difference between chosen, called, and faithful? I have never heard of that distinction before among the elect.

They all refer to the elect. They are faithful, to the end and will not follow Satan. They are chosen by God from the foundation and they are called by Him. The others are of free will. God will interfere in an elect's life and move them where He wishes them to be but He will not do that to one of free will, unless asked by them.

Rom.11:2. God hath not cast away His people which he foreknew......
4.But what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."
(Remember, he deceives the whole world and, as he has the others already, he is coming for Christians. They may love God but they haven't been taught that he is coming before Jesus and they will embrace him with open arms, believing he is Jesus)
5.Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
7.What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8.(According as it is written, "God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear";) unto this day.
25.For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Israel means the House of Israel, not the present nation of Israel. The ten lost tribes whom God scattered. They may not be aware of who they are but God knows them.

I do not believe it is possible to believe without having repented, that is, at the point of salvation. Who is a person that truly believes, but has not repented? That would make no sense to me. To believe requires minimal understanding, which would require the understanding of the necessity of repentance, i.e. that's a huge part of what "belief" and "salvation" means. Now, whether the idea of repentance is something that must be repeated over and over again throughout life towards justification, is a matter of strong contention I have with the Roman Catholics. :)

I agree with you in that if you believe and love God how could you not repent? The point I'm not certain about is unrepented for sins. Are they blotted out as the ones we repent for or is there some type of punishment or correction? As far as loosing our salvation I know that He would never leave us but I do believe it is possible for us to turn our back on Him.

........Ping

15,763 posted on 06/25/2007 9:36:13 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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