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To: Forest Keeper
I'm not sure I'm following. If an elect could commit an unforgivable sin, or let's say if he ever DID commit an unforgivable sin, then how could he be an elect? In the Reformed understanding, ALL the sins of the elect are dealt with, "forgiven" before they enter Heaven. To us, God's standards would require no less.

From my understanding there is only one unpardonable sin that an elect can commit and the only time that can be commited would be when they are delivered before Satan (death) and the Holy Spirit speaks through them. Only the elect are called to do this. That testimony will open many eyes and ears to truth. If they don't allow that to happen they are condemned as Satan and the fallen angels are.

And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.(Luke 12:11-12)

What hour? I believe this "hour" is Satan's hour of temptation referred to in Revelation 17:

12.And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 14.These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

The chosen, called and faithful are His elect. They are the ones that face Satan (death) and allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them (as on Pentecost). All others will be deceived by Satan:

Rev.12:9.and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
11.And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto death. (Death is one of Satan's names)

If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and He shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. (1John 5:16)

Intercessory prayer is very powerful but here we are told that we should not pray for one committing that sin, the unpardonable sin. Note that here too "sin" is singular when it is about the unpardonable one, as the one you noticed, "the wages of sin is death".

In my mind, the totality of scripture is that sin itself is never excusable in the "eternity" sense. I don't see how God could let some (actual) sins "slip by" and not be dealt with before one of His children enters Heaven. I think that Christ has dealt with each and every sin committed by one of His children

I'm not sure of this at all. My belief is that He died for our sins but we must repent of those sins to be forgiven.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

If we haven't repented but believe, we will be saved but what happens to the unrepented for sins?

Mark 16:16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

"However, an unforgivable sin, it would seem to me, would be huge, and never allowed to slide when committed by anyone".

As far as I know there is only one and it is huge. He won't allow it to slide. That is why only the elect can commit it. They know truth while the spirit of slumber has been placed on others for their protection, so they can't commit it. It's only when you know the truth of Satan coming first, pretending to be Christ, that you will be held responsible.

.....Ping

15,736 posted on 06/23/2007 11:59:55 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong
From my understanding there is only one unpardonable sin that an elect can commit and the only time that can be committed would be when they are delivered before Satan (death) and the Holy Spirit speaks through them. Only the elect are called to do this. That testimony will open many eyes and ears to truth. If they don't allow that to happen they are condemned as Satan and the fallen angels are.

That's interesting, I've never heard that before.

The chosen, called and faithful are His elect. They are the ones that face Satan (death) and allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them (as on Pentecost). All others will be deceived by Satan:

This is what I don't get: how can an elect fail at this point if the sin is unforgivable? Can an elect lose his salvation? I have never heard of that given the definition of an elect. Wouldn't that be Christ losing one of His sheep?

BTW, what is the difference between chosen, called, and faithful? I have never heard of that distinction before among the elect.

Note that here too "sin" is singular when it is about the unpardonable one, as the one you noticed, "the wages of sin is death".

Yes, that is fair enough.

I'm not sure of this at all. My belief is that He died for our sins but we must repent of those sins to be forgiven. [Acts 3:19] ...If we haven't repented but believe, we will be saved but what happens to the unrepentant for sins?

I do not believe it is possible to believe without having repented, that is, at the point of salvation. Who is a person that truly believes, but has not repented? That would make no sense to me. To believe requires minimal understanding, which would require the understanding of the necessity of repentance, i.e. that's a huge part of what "belief" and "salvation" means. Now, whether the idea of repentance is something that must be repeated over and over again throughout life towards justification, is a matter of strong contention I have with the Roman Catholics. :)


15,754 posted on 06/25/2007 3:21:00 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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