[stfassisi]

They relequish any will they have to become full slaves of the living God. There is no free will in heaven. There is only the will of the Father.

Explain how satan and other angels fell then?

If God made them Fall then God is responsible for satan and evil!

Dear Friend , You are doing exactly what Calvin did. Over-thinking!

[HarleyD]

Dear Friend , You are doing exactly what Calvin did. Over-thinking!

That's the first time I've been accused of thinking. I'll take that as a compliment.

Actually this is not overthinking at all. I have been looking at this problem for 30 years and never been able to figure it out until I stumbled across the Reformed belief. Then it made perfect sense, at least to me.

DISCLAIMER: I will hasten to add that my belief in this matter is strictly my own. No church father that I can find (Catholic or Protestant) has ever held this view. I am currently researching this to see if I am holding a heretical doctrine. However, I am becoming increasingly convinced in this matter that the solution is rather easy than complex.

Explain how satan and other angels fell then?

The details of the fall of satan and the angels are sketchy but I don't believe it was pride as is commonly taught. I believe there is at least credible biblical evidence that satan and the other angels fell simply because they lacked the wisdom and understanding of God. Had satan been knowledgable of the consequences of his action, he would never have fallen. Those angels who did not fall rely upon God to direct their path.

If God made them Fall then God is responsible for satan and evil!

God ordained the fall but He didn't make anyone fall. Lacking wisdom and understanding from God is precisely what God has ordained for His creatures. Angels (and demons) are given commands by God and sent out to do His will not knowing the result or outcome. Man is incapable of doing God's will until He sets us free, then we are restored and granted the ability to do His will. But we are to rely upon Him for His guidance and wisdom. Our failure to seek God's advice and direction is simply that, our failure, and sin. As James states:
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

When we fail to rely upon the Lord's command or wisdom, we will fail. This happened to satan. This happened to Adam.

This was the whole point in the deception of Eve. Eve was confused to seek the wisdom that comes from God; Adam was not. Although both sinned, Adam was the greater transgressor.

There is no such thing as "free will". There is only God's will or sin.

[kosta50]

stfassisi to HD: Explain how satan and other angels fell then? If God made them Fall then God is responsible for satan and evil!

stfassisi, we have been through this before with them. To no avail. There is positively some ".dll" type of file missing.

They will tell you that God pre-ordained Satan to fall along with 1/3 of all angels. And they will say that God is the author of evil, but that He is not evil Himself!

They treat evil as something God actually created!. It is really education to see to what depth this heresy goes, because on the surface even the pious could be deceived that they are but a shade and not of an altogether different kind.