[HarleyD]

Dear Friend , You are doing exactly what Calvin did. Over-thinking!

That's the first time I've been accused of thinking. I'll take that as a compliment.

Actually this is not overthinking at all. I have been looking at this problem for 30 years and never been able to figure it out until I stumbled across the Reformed belief. Then it made perfect sense, at least to me.

DISCLAIMER: I will hasten to add that my belief in this matter is strictly my own. No church father that I can find (Catholic or Protestant) has ever held this view. I am currently researching this to see if I am holding a heretical doctrine. However, I am becoming increasingly convinced in this matter that the solution is rather easy than complex.

Explain how satan and other angels fell then?

The details of the fall of satan and the angels are sketchy but I don't believe it was pride as is commonly taught. I believe there is at least credible biblical evidence that satan and the other angels fell simply because they lacked the wisdom and understanding of God. Had satan been knowledgable of the consequences of his action, he would never have fallen. Those angels who did not fall rely upon God to direct their path.

If God made them Fall then God is responsible for satan and evil!

God ordained the fall but He didn't make anyone fall. Lacking wisdom and understanding from God is precisely what God has ordained for His creatures. Angels (and demons) are given commands by God and sent out to do His will not knowing the result or outcome. Man is incapable of doing God's will until He sets us free, then we are restored and granted the ability to do His will. But we are to rely upon Him for His guidance and wisdom. Our failure to seek God's advice and direction is simply that, our failure, and sin. As James states:
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

When we fail to rely upon the Lord's command or wisdom, we will fail. This happened to satan. This happened to Adam.

This was the whole point in the deception of Eve. Eve was confused to seek the wisdom that comes from God; Adam was not. Although both sinned, Adam was the greater transgressor.

There is no such thing as "free will". There is only God's will or sin.

[stfassisi]

“”There is no such thing as “free will”. There is only God’s will or sin.””

This and your scripture twisting makes no sense.
It makes humans and the whole angelic world one big game being played by God with Himself.

Without the ability to choose love,everything is forced on us.

From...
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

Freedom put to the test

396 God created man in his image and established him in his friendship. A spiritual creature, man can live this friendship only in free submission to God. The prohibition against eating “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” spells this out: “for in the day that you eat of it, you shall die.”276 The “tree of the knowledge of good and evil”277 symbolically evokes the insurmountable limits that man, being a creature, must freely recognize and respect with trust. Man is dependent on his Creator, and subject to the laws of creation and to the moral norms that govern the use of freedom.

The above Catechism reveals the TRUTH.

Time for work.

I wish you a Blessed day!

[kosta50]

Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him

LOL!!! A reformed Protestant quoting St. James! This is the first!

HD, if God predestined that some shall have the wisdom and other won't, what good is asking?