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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; annalex; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; kawaii; jo kus; adiaireton8
Point to an early Church father who didn't believe in the inspired writings.

I never claimed that. Of course they believed in the inspired writings, they just didn't agree what was inspired!, not for a while at least.

You have yet to tell me how any Church father knew about the virgin birth apart from inspiration

Because she was the first human to receive Christ, and she received Him as a virgin, and was filled with grace as a virgin. If she were to become a non-virgin, she would no longer be in the same state of grace when she received her Savior.

If you doubt one part of scripture, you might as well doubt the whole thing

That's silly. God's message remains true regardless of the details. Variations in Bibles prove that. Even the Greek language bibles are not all the same. Such variations do not take away the truth of the message of God's revelation, even if the sentences do not read exactly the same words, but express the same revealed truth nonetheless.

The Gospels differ as to what Christ said on the Cross. Do they take away from the truth? It doesn't matter if Job really lived, but what the book of Job is all about.

Sometimes the Protestants remind me of simpletons who believe that Charlston Heston's Moses in "Exodus" is the only "true" rendition of the event.

The problem with Christians today is that they no longer believe in the scriptures

The problem with Christians today is that they don't believe. The Church existed before the New Testament existed. People believed in Christ's Resurrection. They believed what they heard from the Apostles. Christ never commissioned his disciples to write books! The Bible is a product of the Church, not the other way around.

People don't believe the word of God is THE POWER OF GOD FOR SALVATION

Christ never taught that it is. It is faith that brings us to God who saves. What good is the word of God if you don't believe?

15,531 posted on 06/05/2007 12:20:42 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

Some good points.

Faith in God REGARDLESS is a high priority.

Been reading a lot on an alternative news conspiracy UFO website . . .

AboveTopSecret.com

Am a bit shocked, even me . . . at how far some things have progressed since I last check such a site . . .

Evidently folks in Tucson are seriously leaving and considering leaving because they feel that war is going to literally continue to spill over the Mexican border with the USA government essentially doing nothing. . . . with border patrol agents voting no confidence in their supervisors because of such skull duggery on the part of the FED masters.

And folks who grew up on military bases have gone back and investigated back little used areas of the bases and find that the stories of the detention camps set up on them are TRUE.

I don’t think folks realize how ESSENTIAL, ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL

FAITH IN GOD AND GOD ALONE is going to be . . . even if Christians are “only” here for the “birth pangs” of END TIMES.

imho, of course.


15,554 posted on 06/06/2007 3:14:18 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; .30Carbine; Blogger; Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary; fortheDeclaration; ...

FORGOTTEN PING to various

Some good points.

Faith in God REGARDLESS is a high priority.

Been reading a lot on an alternative news conspiracy UFO website . . .

AboveTopSecret.com

Am a bit shocked, even me . . . at how far some things have progressed since I last check such a site . . .

Evidently folks in Tucson are seriously leaving and considering leaving because they feel that war is going to literally continue to spill over the Mexican border with the USA government essentially doing nothing. . . . with border patrol agents voting no confidence in their supervisors because of such skull duggery on the part of the FED masters.

And folks who grew up on military bases have gone back and investigated back little used areas of the bases and find that the stories of the detention camps set up on them are TRUE.

I don’t think folks realize how ESSENTIAL, ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL

FAITH IN GOD AND GOD ALONE is going to be . . . even if Christians are “only” here for the “birth pangs” of END TIMES.

imho, of course.


15,555 posted on 06/06/2007 3:15:58 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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