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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; annalex; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; kawaii; jo kus; adiaireton8
I have shown you facts, HD and you choose to bury your head in the sand and pretend they are not there.

Tsk, tsk. Facts? Point to an early Church father who didn't believe in the inspired writings. You have yet to tell me how any Church father knew about the virgin birth apart from inspiration. I'm sure none of them were in the room when the angel was there. A couple of people get together and say the virgin birth happened and you believe it? Yet other sections you doubt.

If you doubt one part of scripture, you might as well doubt the whole thing. If you want to find contradictions and errors, you can find them. But before I go down that path, I would prefer to claim my own ignorance and try to understand. I have found that to be more rewarding.

The problem with Christians today is that they no longer believe in the scriptures. Where the early church fathers extensively quoted the scriptures, nowadays Church fathers simply quote one another. People don't believe the word of God is THE POWER OF GOD FOR SALVATION. Shame on us.

PS There is no "my Church." There is only One (Catholic) Church which teaches One Apostolic (Orthodox) Faith.

You are "free" to teach anything you like. It doesn't make it right.

15,530 posted on 06/05/2007 8:17:59 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; annalex; Kolokotronis; Dr. Eckleburg; kawaii; jo kus; adiaireton8
Point to an early Church father who didn't believe in the inspired writings.

I never claimed that. Of course they believed in the inspired writings, they just didn't agree what was inspired!, not for a while at least.

You have yet to tell me how any Church father knew about the virgin birth apart from inspiration

Because she was the first human to receive Christ, and she received Him as a virgin, and was filled with grace as a virgin. If she were to become a non-virgin, she would no longer be in the same state of grace when she received her Savior.

If you doubt one part of scripture, you might as well doubt the whole thing

That's silly. God's message remains true regardless of the details. Variations in Bibles prove that. Even the Greek language bibles are not all the same. Such variations do not take away the truth of the message of God's revelation, even if the sentences do not read exactly the same words, but express the same revealed truth nonetheless.

The Gospels differ as to what Christ said on the Cross. Do they take away from the truth? It doesn't matter if Job really lived, but what the book of Job is all about.

Sometimes the Protestants remind me of simpletons who believe that Charlston Heston's Moses in "Exodus" is the only "true" rendition of the event.

The problem with Christians today is that they no longer believe in the scriptures

The problem with Christians today is that they don't believe. The Church existed before the New Testament existed. People believed in Christ's Resurrection. They believed what they heard from the Apostles. Christ never commissioned his disciples to write books! The Bible is a product of the Church, not the other way around.

People don't believe the word of God is THE POWER OF GOD FOR SALVATION

Christ never taught that it is. It is faith that brings us to God who saves. What good is the word of God if you don't believe?

15,531 posted on 06/05/2007 12:20:42 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: HarleyD; kosta50
You are "free" to teach anything you like.

Wow! this surprises me,Harley. I thought you guys(calvinists) denied free will-:0)

15,532 posted on 06/05/2007 2:17:19 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: HarleyD
You are "free" to teach anything you like.

A true calvinist would have said..

You are "predestined" to teach anything you like

Gotcha!LOL!

15,533 posted on 06/05/2007 2:37:42 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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