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To: annalex; hosepipe; Quix; .30Carbine; betty boop
Truly said, the words of God in Scripture must be Spiritually discerned.

For me, John 6 is exceptional in this regard because it gives insight to the body and blood before the commandment given at the Last Supper and also because of the reaction of the disciples, i.e. many of them couldn't bear it and walked away.

John 3 (born again) is also exceptional to me because of the bewilderment of Nicodemus and the repeated emphasis by Jesus.

Of course we know that Christ spoke in parables to hide Truth in plain view. But these two passages are not parables.

Both passages are speaking of Spiritual, timeless, realities which are not logical or rational to the mortal mind. Hence, the revulsions.

Sometimes I assert these two passages to those who claim that all of Scripture can be interpreted by other Scripture - which is to say, by mental reasoning comparing Scripture to Scripture because metaphors are defined in Scripture.

Without disputing either interpretation, I assert that the Lord's Supper is mentally deduced from Luke 22:19 and I Cor 11:24-25 et al - and that the Eucharist is additionally mentally deduced by John 6.

But Spiritual Truth is obtained by revelation; mental reasoning cannot uncover it. For me, Spiritual revelation is Truth, it alone is reliable - whatever mental reasoning I might have is subordinated to it.

In this case, the Spiritual revelation I have received is that we are to consume Jesus Who is the bread of life. We are to take in the Living Word of God. He is our life. (John 6:32-63, Matt 4:4, John 15, Romans 8, John 17, I Cor 2, et al)

Nevertheless, not every Christian is given to the exact same Spiritual understanding and/or emphasis of Spiritual revelation. That itself is part of the beauty and mystery of the body of Christ.

Praise God!

15,389 posted on 05/29/2007 8:15:42 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; .30Carbine; cornelis; Heretic; Whosoever
[.. But Spiritual Truth is obtained by revelation; mental reasoning cannot uncover it. For me, Spiritual revelation is Truth, it alone is reliable - whatever mental reasoning I might have is subordinated to it. ..]

[.. Nevertheless, not every Christian is given to the exact same Spiritual understanding and/or emphasis of Spiritual revelation. ..]
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The Observer problem is relevant spiritually also.. We see from our own vistas what we can see.. from metaphors given as microscopes and telescopes.. or just with the naked eye..

Some are blind and use the vision of others(so-called saints).. For multiplied centuries few churchs(believers) had printed material of any kind, most couldn't read anyway.. The Holy Spirit can and has taught believers (by revelation/mental images/visions/dreams) SINCE THE BEGINNING..

The Observer problem is universal.. this thread is the glaring truth of it.. The observer problem effects atheists, agnostics and believers.. even pagans for they see/believe in cartoons.. The test is "are" we true to what we see.. Having noticed "something" from our observation post/vista do we implement it or Not..

The printed word of the Hebrews God is fairly recent in history.. not that many could have read it if it was available.. The word of God was meant to be expounded/shared/appreciated by Observers.. What a plan.. The Holy Spirit attending the observer.. to shine light on the literal and reveal the metaphor.. Not to shine on the metaphor and reveal the literal.. Metaphor bridges language and cultural short comings.. and contains(metaphor does) far more information than mere language code words..

Observers calling each other heretics because others don't view what they are seeing is believable.. but non productive..

To wit; whatever you "see" is whatever you "see".. Whether viewing the word of God through microscope or telescope(Metaphor).. or literally.. But the real advantage is "seeing" that the bible and/or word of God is mostly metaphorical.. not all but mostly.. Thats some of what I "see" and am thankful for that "vista".. Some see as a frog in a well and others as a bird flying above the well, yet others from a higher viewpoint still.. They all must see what they see, or even Want to see.. thats the way its supposed to be..

Is the HOLY SPIRIT Cool or WHAT?... Some frogs are comfortable in the well, or birds proud of their colorful feathers, but a "vista" above all that remains available to the courageous..

15,401 posted on 05/29/2007 10:07:34 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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