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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; .30Carbine; cornelis; Heretic; Whosoever
[.. But Spiritual Truth is obtained by revelation; mental reasoning cannot uncover it. For me, Spiritual revelation is Truth, it alone is reliable - whatever mental reasoning I might have is subordinated to it. ..]

[.. Nevertheless, not every Christian is given to the exact same Spiritual understanding and/or emphasis of Spiritual revelation. ..]
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The Observer problem is relevant spiritually also.. We see from our own vistas what we can see.. from metaphors given as microscopes and telescopes.. or just with the naked eye..

Some are blind and use the vision of others(so-called saints).. For multiplied centuries few churchs(believers) had printed material of any kind, most couldn't read anyway.. The Holy Spirit can and has taught believers (by revelation/mental images/visions/dreams) SINCE THE BEGINNING..

The Observer problem is universal.. this thread is the glaring truth of it.. The observer problem effects atheists, agnostics and believers.. even pagans for they see/believe in cartoons.. The test is "are" we true to what we see.. Having noticed "something" from our observation post/vista do we implement it or Not..

The printed word of the Hebrews God is fairly recent in history.. not that many could have read it if it was available.. The word of God was meant to be expounded/shared/appreciated by Observers.. What a plan.. The Holy Spirit attending the observer.. to shine light on the literal and reveal the metaphor.. Not to shine on the metaphor and reveal the literal.. Metaphor bridges language and cultural short comings.. and contains(metaphor does) far more information than mere language code words..

Observers calling each other heretics because others don't view what they are seeing is believable.. but non productive..

To wit; whatever you "see" is whatever you "see".. Whether viewing the word of God through microscope or telescope(Metaphor).. or literally.. But the real advantage is "seeing" that the bible and/or word of God is mostly metaphorical.. not all but mostly.. Thats some of what I "see" and am thankful for that "vista".. Some see as a frog in a well and others as a bird flying above the well, yet others from a higher viewpoint still.. They all must see what they see, or even Want to see.. thats the way its supposed to be..

Is the HOLY SPIRIT Cool or WHAT?... Some frogs are comfortable in the well, or birds proud of their colorful feathers, but a "vista" above all that remains available to the courageous..

15,401 posted on 05/29/2007 10:07:34 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe; betty boop
Jeepers, hosepipe. What a beautiful essay-post! Thank you!

Truly, the observer problem extends to the spiritual as well. And that is fine by me because that is what makes this living canvas so glorious with its contrasts and colors.

I thank God that Peter was not like John and that Paul was not like James! And I thank God that the foundation gemstones of the New Jerusalem are not all the same color, the same stone.

And I thank God for you, dear brother in Christ; you have certainly been blessed with spiritual eyes for Spiritual metaphors.

15,406 posted on 05/29/2007 10:34:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl
The Observer problem is universal.. this thread is the glaring truth of it.

Indeed dear 'pipe: The observer problem is fundamental, ubiquitous, and so cannot be obviated under any conditions whatever. It extends to every knowledge domain, bar none, including representations of Spirit.

Beautiful post, my friend!

15,436 posted on 05/30/2007 5:07:52 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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