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To: jo kus
In reality, the Roman Catholic religion looks nothing like the early primitive Church at all.

Like I said before (and you conveniently took off running)

I suppose using a snippy smear like that provides yet another delusion of actually scoring some points, eh?

No one "conveniently took off" as the snippy smear insinuates.

For a dose of reality, I actually tend to be rather busy, most of the time, like a lot of people, and do not always get to respond to or even see everything that is said. Maybe there are some who have nothing else to do but to sit in anxious anticipation for everything said here to respond to, but I can assure you I am not one of them.

, you obviously haven't read "Against Heresies", and I find it equally unlikely you have read anything else the men of the first two centuries of the common era wrote. If you actually DID read them, you would have a serious change of heart.

Actually, I HAVE read them, and find that the Roman Catholic religion distorts them as much as it does Scripture and the Gospel.

15,213 posted on 05/25/2007 10:44:33 AM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Risky-Riskerdo
For a dose of reality, I actually tend to be rather busy, most of the time, like a lot of people, and do not always get to respond to or even see everything that is said. Maybe there are some who have nothing else to do but to sit in anxious anticipation for everything said here to respond to, but I can assure you I am not one of them.

Of course, we are all busy, and I apologize if you think I implied otherwise. However, I do note that you have taken up conversation with other people after my post to you. Does that mean that you have forgotten our discussion or do you find that your time is better spent attacking your ideas of Catholicism rather than defending your own incorrect point of view which I corrected?

Don't believe me, if you think I jest. If you want to learn the truth, take a break from this forum, and pick up some of the Church Fathers and read them for yourself, rather than William Webster's out of context clips... If you dare to learn the truth. I say that because, if you are honest and open, you will be forced to make a decision - to continue to lie, or to change your opinion. And the later is more difficult, I assure you. I was there once.

Regards

15,216 posted on 05/25/2007 12:04:44 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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To: Risky-Riskerdo
I wrote: you obviously haven't read "Against Heresies", and I find it equally unlikely you have read anything else the men of the first two centuries of the common era wrote. If you actually DID read them, you would have a serious change of heart.

You wrote back: Actually, I HAVE read them, and find that the Roman Catholic religion distorts them as much as it does Scripture and the Gospel.

With all due respect, I do not believe you. ANYONE who has read even large sections of "Against Heresies" would have a difficult time showing that Irenaeus believed in "Sola Scriptura", because he repeats over and over again, AGAINST heretics, that only the CHURCH properly interprets the Scriptures.

Not only that, he defends those Christians who NEVER READ THE BIBLE - AND HE PRAISES THEM!

Not a ringing endorsement for Sola Scriptura, brother...

"To this order of the Tradition, the many people of the barbarians who believe in Christ give their assent, having salvation written in their hearts without paper or ink by the Spirit, and guarding diligently the old tradition" St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, III, 4, 2. c. 180 AD.

Ouch...

You want more? Then pick it up and read it. Or I can post you all kinds of clips where he tells us that only the Church can interpret Scriptures correctly...

Regards

15,219 posted on 05/25/2007 12:17:59 PM PDT by jo kus (Humility is present when one debases oneself without being obliged to do so- St.Chrysostom; Phil 2:8)
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