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To: Quix
How do you interpret:

“These and Greater things shall you [believers] do!” . . . . —Jesus The Christ

In context, Jesus was speaking directly to the disciples, and for the Apostolic era when the Church was being established, and not to every believer as asserted.

However, lets run a simple test.

I assume you are a "believer".

How many paralytics have you healed?

How many dead people have you raised to life, particularly like Lazarus who had been dead for 4 days?

How many blind people have you restored their sight to?

How many people with withered hands have you made straight?

How many times have you fed crowds of over 5,000 with just a few fish and a couple of small loaves of bread?

14,889 posted on 05/21/2007 6:38:24 PM PDT by Risky-Riskerdo
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To: Risky-Riskerdo; All
In context, Jesus was speaking directly to the disciples, and for the Apostolic era when the Church was being established, and not to every believer as asserted.

That's a brazen ASSUMPTION, BALD FACED INFERENCE, EXTRAPOLATION NOT THE LEAST BIT SUPPORTED BY THAT TEXT OR ANY OTHER TEXT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

The Scripture does not say that every beleiver will have every gifting. I have prayed for folks who have been healed of a variety of things. I haven't routinely payed the price to walk continuously in such an anointing. I haven't been a channel of folks being raised from the dead or the lame walking or the blind seeing. I have known folks who have.

The more important BIBLICAL QUESTION IS why have those who claim to be believers NEVER had such anointing flow through them?

14,897 posted on 05/21/2007 6:50:53 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Risky-Riskerdo; Quix; HarleyD
"These and Greater things shall you [believers] do!" . . . . —Jesus The Christ In context, Jesus was speaking directly to the disciples, and for the Apostolic era when the Church was being established, and not to every believer as asserted.

That's as good an explanation as I've read. If we believe the miracles of the Apostolic era continue to this day, then we'd almost have to believe men can forgive other men's sins.

Which, of course, we don't believe. So I think it's a lot more Scriptural to believe all the Apostles gifts ceased with the Apostles.

That doesn't mean men can't rise to become wonderful teachers, ordained by God. It's just that the overt, supernatural things have ended because Christ risen is all the miracle any of us truly needs.

Like Harley said, by faith and not by sight.

14,905 posted on 05/21/2007 7:33:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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