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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper
Do you actually believe those in heaven are in discomfort, Kosta?

Heaven is not our "new home." Our new home is new Earth. Our created nature is that of a body endowed with a soul. Our place in God's creation on earth, not in heaven.

Until we are reunited with our bodies, we will not be in our created natural state. Those who depart do so in various degrees of sin and unrepetance. Surely you don't suggest that sinful souls are in heaven? And, no, the sin you willingly commit are not forgiven unless you repent. Are you saying you repent of all your sins? or do you think you have card blanche to sin all you want (pecca fortiter...)? if so, may God help you!

Our final destiny is not realized until the Final Judgment. We are judged immediately after death (particular judgment), at which point the soul knows that it will either be glorified or condemned, but the disposition of our souls and bodies is not accomplished until after the Final Judgment. The souls of the departed lay in waiting in a state that is unnatural, separate from the body and the earth. the discomfort comes from unrepented desires which we may still have but cannot realize, and neither can we repent after death.

14,790 posted on 05/20/2007 9:37:23 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings
Heaven is not our "new home." Our new home is new Earth. Our created nature is that of a body endowed with a soul. Our place in God's creation on earth, not in heaven. Until we are reunited with our bodies, we will not be in our created natural state.

I'm sorry you have such a fixation on geography, Kosta.

I have every confidence my dear, departed-too-soon father is in heaven as we speak. When history is over and Christ returns again, my dad will receive his glorified body.

But he will still be present with the Lord, his exceeding joy, still glorifying His name from everlasting to everlasting.

Surely you don't suggest that sinful souls are in heaven? And, no, the sin you willingly commit are not forgiven unless you repent. Are you saying you repent of all your sins? or do you think you have card blanche to sin all you want

This is why I've come to learn that JUSTIFICATION is the most misunderstood, ignored doctrine of our time. At my death, I trust my sins HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, every single one of them, by Jesus Christ upon the cross.

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." -- Mark 16:15-16

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." -- 1 Corinthians 1:18

14,799 posted on 05/21/2007 10:41:52 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: kosta50
Until we are reunited with our bodies, we will not be in our created natural state.

Let me cite C. S. Lewis on this question: "A two-legged horse is maimed. A two-legged man isn't." God's willingness to take upon Himself human flesh, rather than an angelic hologram, indicates that the final resurrection is something to anticipate with joy.

14,959 posted on 05/22/2007 9:50:17 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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