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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50
FK: I've never prayed for a departed.

LOL. Me, either. Let's not start now. 8~)

KOSTA: Thus all the souls of the departed are in discomfort because they are in an unnatural state.

Huh? Departed souls are either in heaven or hell. Neither group has any need of our earthly supplications. The ones in hell are beyond redemption while the ones in heaven are happily preoccupied with glorifying God and enjoying Him forever.

Do you actually believe those in heaven are in discomfort, Kosta?

14,787 posted on 05/20/2007 7:45:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper
Do you actually believe those in heaven are in discomfort, Kosta?

Heaven is not our "new home." Our new home is new Earth. Our created nature is that of a body endowed with a soul. Our place in God's creation on earth, not in heaven.

Until we are reunited with our bodies, we will not be in our created natural state. Those who depart do so in various degrees of sin and unrepetance. Surely you don't suggest that sinful souls are in heaven? And, no, the sin you willingly commit are not forgiven unless you repent. Are you saying you repent of all your sins? or do you think you have card blanche to sin all you want (pecca fortiter...)? if so, may God help you!

Our final destiny is not realized until the Final Judgment. We are judged immediately after death (particular judgment), at which point the soul knows that it will either be glorified or condemned, but the disposition of our souls and bodies is not accomplished until after the Final Judgment. The souls of the departed lay in waiting in a state that is unnatural, separate from the body and the earth. the discomfort comes from unrepented desires which we may still have but cannot realize, and neither can we repent after death.

14,790 posted on 05/20/2007 9:37:23 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Departed souls are either in heaven or hell.

So is heaven "prison" or do people in hell have a second chance? (1 Pet 3:18-20; Eph 4:9)

-A8

14,791 posted on 05/20/2007 9:45:17 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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