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Paul wrote nothing that was unclear about salvation. If he did, then cite some scriptures that you have a problem understanding.

I repeat, Scriptures themselves say that Paul can be difficult to understand. Do you discount what the Bible says? I am not surprised...

And once again, you dodge the question.

For your view to be right, Paul would have say somewhere that eternal salvation comes by faith and works.

I note that you cannot find such a passage.

As for some things being difficult in Paul to understand, Peter was not referring to salvation by faith alone, since he preached the same Gospel in Acts 15.

'but we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved as they'(vs.11).

'Pope' Peter forget to mention the works part 'necessary' for salvation.

What he stated that it was by grace one was saved and if it is by grace, then it must be by faith and not of works (Rom.4:3-4, 11:6)

What Peter was referring to that was difficult in Paul's writings were the mystery of the one body, Jew and Gentile, revealed only to Paul (Eph.3) which Peter had a hard time with (Gal.2).

So, once again, like a cult, you avoid actually dealing with anything Paul said regarding works not being part of eternal salvation using the dodge that Paul is too hard to understand.

Nowhere does James say that saved is referring to eternal salvation. You are reading into it what you want. Eternal salvation is not the issue being discussed in James 2, what is is faith being seen and producing fruit.

Faith without works is dead. That has nothing to do with eternal salvation? Wow... I hadn't realized that the spiritually dead will be going to heaven.

Faith without works is a dead faith.

Salvation is an event not a process.

Your view on Sanctification is in error.

A believer who does not produce fruit has a dead faith and thus is removed from this temporal life, but remains spiritually alive.

Stop double talking.

Jn. 15:2 is speaking of taking away the physical life of the believer if he doesn't produce fruit. If he does produce fruit, he is 'pruned' to produce more.

Friend, you are mistaken again. Being cut from the vine does not talk about being killed physically. Those that wither from the vine because they have been cut off die physically? And those who remain on the vine do NOT die physically? You are clearly incorrect. I know many devout Catholics and Protestants who died. Does their physical death mean that they were cut off from Christ? See where your eigesis takes us?

And you reject the context of the chapter which is dealing with fruit bearing-friend.

Christ says very clearly that if one does not bear fruit he is removed and the others are 'pruned' that is they continue to grow.

So stop acting like you don't know what I am talking about.

Dying is not the issue, it is when one dies and if one does not produce fruit for Christ, that believer is judged and taken home early.

Sola Fide is found in the scripture and is compared by comparing scripture with scripture.

I respectfully disagree with you.

You are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with God and it is He whom you are going to give an account for when you see Him at the Great White Throne Judgement.

So what part of Paul do you not understand when he says we are saved by grace, through faith not of works?

You are confused on what Paul means when he says "works". Read Romans 4:4 - it tells us what Paul means by "works". He is saying we cannot earn salvation. No "work" can force God to pay us back. Thus, salvation is a gift given. It is not earned. Yet, without love, we are not saved, because we have dead faith. Thus, as Paul says, faith without love is worthless - or, as James said - faith without works is dead.

faith without love is dead, but that has nothing to do with salvation, that has to do with Christian growth.

Now,the works that Paul is referring to is anything that man can claim credit for doing that he thinks is necessary for salvation, like taking 'sacraments'.

One can have such a dead faith and still be saved as shown in 1Tim.2:11.

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. I don't see it there, ftd.

excuse me, I meant 2Tim.2:13.

If we believe not, ye he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself

Clear enough?

One can have a dead faith and still be saved.

The greatest love I can show you is to tell you the true Gospel so you will be saved and not spend eternity in hell.

By YOUR idea of being saved, I am already saved. Thanks for your concern, but by Protestant standards, I am "once saved, always saved". According to your standards, then, it shouldn't matter WHAT I do AFTER that! I can even become Catholic, because I am OSAS! Yippie!!! Whoopie, I got my bus ticket! AMEN!

Actually, if you have accepted Christ by faith alone, that is true.

But that means you are rejecting what the Roman Catholic Church says about salvation.

So which is it?

I gave you the facts and did not attack you personally.

I see your name-calling as a personal attack. Yet, after three posts, no apologies. That says a mountain about how much "faith" you have. It is a dead faith because it has no works of love.

And I see your evasion and doubletalk as intellectually dishonest.

Charity...rejoiceth in the truth.

I called you no names, I dealt with what you and your Church believes and teaches.

Now if you have indeed believed as the Bible teaches (faith alone) then your Roman Catholic Church has put an anathama on you. So if you now believe what the RCC teaches instead of what the Bible does, you better start saying alot of Hail Mary's

Regards

Likewise.