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I’m going to let the reader handle that one topcat.

As far as our conversation goes, I see not much has changed since the dispensational thread so I’m going to leave it at that. I left the conversation on dispensationalism for a reason and I see that some still wish to broad-brush and attack it with untruths. We (dispensationalists) have dealt with BOTH the Old and New Testaments at length on other threads. You are aware of these threads because you were right in the middle of them. If our discussions didn’t answer any questions then they aren’t going to answer them now. But then again, I really don’t think the questions are posed with a sincere inquiry into knowledge but are posed with an agenda which already hates dispensationalism (and dispensationalists???) to the core. Sorry, not interested in playing the “gotcha” game tonight. Maybe some other time, but frankly my time is more valuable than that.

As to the ordinances, I answered all I care to answer there as well. I defined both and gave examples which were directly pertinent to Lord’s Supper and Baptism. You don’t like the answer so you re-ask the question. Sorry, asked and answered. I’ll let the reader decide there as well.

In closing, sit back and think for a moment of why this discussion is taking place. The vitriol against dispensationalism is as thick as I have ever seen on these threads. Why would that be? Because we are unbiblical? So you would claim. But if (and we aren’t) were were, what is the harm? Has it effected our evangelistic zeal? A HUGE number of evangelical Christians are indeed pre-tribulationists and dispensationalists. Evangelicals send out a slew of missionaries everywhere and Southern Baptists in particular have been key in the spread of the gospel. Has it effected our love for the Lord? To the contrary, it makes us love Him and long for Him even more! And it causes us to do what He always wanted us to, wait patiently and look for His coming. Does it keep us from the Scripture? No. We are avid readers of Scripture, both old and New Testament. Does it keep us from evangelizing Jews? Again, I know of no dispensationalist that teaches that Jews should not be evangelized. I’ve heard rumors, but I have heard denials of those rumors as well so again, I’d have to truly see it in the context of ALL of the writers writing before I would believe it and even then would reject that such was a teaching of dispensationalism.

So, as far as dispensationalism goes, again, dealt with. Not a profitable discussion. Don’t care to delve into it again at this point.

As far as the Ordinances go, if I am reading you correctly, you do not believe neglect of Lord’s Supper or Baptism will send a soul to Hell and that salvation is by grace through faith alone. As such, the Ordinances, or sacraments as you would call them, are secondary issues about which Christians can disagree. I believe that you and I find commonality in our soteriolgy as far as the doctrines of grace in salvation go. Then again, I could be surprised there as well.

All for now. B.