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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan
If election is based on "our own free will actions" then we are "obligating God to elect us."

Demostrably false. As a parent, I am not obligated in any way by my child's behavior; I choose, however, to match my rewards and punishments to what the child actually does, because I love my child. There is no mystery in this.

13,939 posted on 05/04/2007 7:39:35 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan
Dr. E - If election is based on "our own free will actions" then we are "obligating God to elect us."

annalex-I choose, however, to match my rewards and punishments to what the child actually does, because I love my child.

So, let's put what you've just said into God's words:

And you don't believe this is Pelagius' error?

13,944 posted on 05/04/2007 8:33:23 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan
Dr. E. : "If election is based on "our own free will actions" then we are "obligating God to elect us."

Alex : "Demonstrably false. As a parent, I am not obligated in any way by my child's behavior; I choose, however, to match my rewards and punishments to what the child actually does, because I love my child. There is no mystery in this."

Your comparison doesn't work because you are a flawed human (no offense :) and are capable of being inconsistent (partial), or even not keeping your word. Does God do that? The Bible gives us specific promises as to how salvation works. We believe it is by grace through faith, and you say it is by works and the Church. If God is impartial, then there must be some minimum number of works (or type) that are necessary to OBLIGATE God to save us, along with the Church. If you say "no", then that only leaves God being partial, AND/OR God not keeping His word.

14,519 posted on 05/11/2007 5:09:07 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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