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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix; hosepipe; kosta50
You keep expanding my reading to-do list. LOL!

This one is truly superb -- the Niels Bohr: A Centenary Volume. As are the Abraham Pais biographies of Einstein and Bohr; plus Pais' marvelous history of twentieth-century physics, Inward Bound. Plus I've got a couple of William James' works on their way from Amazon as we speak. You see, I'm doing my homework on "the observer problem...." One thing leads to another; whatta feast!!!

It turns out there is an uncanny resemblance between some of the ideas of Bohr and those of Eric Voegelin, particularly those relating to the subject of consciousness -- observation. This is truly exciting for me!

You wrote: "All of the physical cosmologies rely on geometry for physical causation, which is to say that regardless of cosmology - there had to be an uncaused cause of physical causation itself, i.e. the underlying geometry!.... As much as science tries to obviate God the Creator, it cannot come up with a 'just so' story to explain the beginning of space/time, i.e. physical causation." (Just had to stick those bolds in there....)

I see this soooooooooo clearly! Science ought not to obviate God; that's not to say scientists can put Him in a laboratory anytime soon. But just because one's "method" does not and cannot reach to God, it does not necessarily follow that God is, therefore, a fiction: The heavens and earth declare Him!

As Voltaire declared (IIRC), "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to create Him." Whatta wag! But there's truth to his saying.... Or so it seems to me, FWIW.

An ordered universe requires a Logos in order to come into existence and then to continue in existence.... The Logos God spoke in the beginning (a "dimensionless geometry") is the foundation of universal order. That is, physical laws have a deeper basis than themselves.

Or at least, that's what it looks like to me, an observer.... FWIW. Thank you so much for writing, dearest sister in Christ!

13,864 posted on 05/03/2007 8:55:00 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: betty boop; T'wit; hosepipe; tpaine; Quix
I'm tickled pink that you are so engaged in researching "God and the Observer Problem!" And I'm very glad that you have discovered a resemblance between the insights of Vogelin and Bohr!

Science ought not to obviate God; that's not to say scientists can put Him in a laboratory anytime soon. But just because one's "method" does not and cannot reach to God, it does not necessarily follow that God is, therefore, a fiction: The heavens and earth declare Him!

Oh so very true - for, as you said:

An ordered universe requires a Logos in order to come into existence and then to continue in existence.... The Logos God spoke in the beginning (a "dimensionless geometry") is the foundation of universal order. That is, physical laws have a deeper basis than themselves.

I am reminded of Jastrow's observation (paraphrased) that when scientists have scaled the last and highest mountain of knowledge available to man, they will meet the theologians who have been on the mountaintop for so long, waiting for them to arrive.

13,867 posted on 05/03/2007 9:47:09 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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