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To: betty boop; T'wit; hosepipe; tpaine; Quix
I'm tickled pink that you are so engaged in researching "God and the Observer Problem!" And I'm very glad that you have discovered a resemblance between the insights of Vogelin and Bohr!

Science ought not to obviate God; that's not to say scientists can put Him in a laboratory anytime soon. But just because one's "method" does not and cannot reach to God, it does not necessarily follow that God is, therefore, a fiction: The heavens and earth declare Him!

Oh so very true - for, as you said:

An ordered universe requires a Logos in order to come into existence and then to continue in existence.... The Logos God spoke in the beginning (a "dimensionless geometry") is the foundation of universal order. That is, physical laws have a deeper basis than themselves.

I am reminded of Jastrow's observation (paraphrased) that when scientists have scaled the last and highest mountain of knowledge available to man, they will meet the theologians who have been on the mountaintop for so long, waiting for them to arrive.

13,867 posted on 05/03/2007 9:47:09 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

AGREED. Well put.

Going to send an email.


13,869 posted on 05/03/2007 9:52:14 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Alamo-Girl
I am reminded of Jastrow's observation (paraphrased) that when scientists have scaled the last and highest mountain of knowledge available to man, they will meet the theologians who have been on the mountaintop for so long, waiting for them to arrive.

Jastrow's observation absolutely tickles me! Thanks for reminding me of it, Alamo-Girl!

13,871 posted on 05/03/2007 10:09:26 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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