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To: annalex
The local churches were not 'Catholic' Sure they were. The Church was described as "catholic" by St. Ignatius in late 1c -- yearly 2c at the latest. As soon as the concept of a canon existed, it was the Catholic Canon; prior to that, they simply had whatever books came their way.

Stop your nonsense. Ignatius used the word 'Catholic' in the sense of the church being 'universal', which is what the mystical church is, all believers being part of Christ's body.

The early churches had nothing that could identify them with the Roman Catholic Church today, including a 'Priest class'.

Peter stated that all believers were priests (1Pet.2:9)

As for the Canon, it was the Jewish Old Testament Canon, the same one used by Christ and the Apostles.

No Apocyrypha books were ever part of it.

13,759 posted on 05/01/2007 12:04:49 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: fortheDeclaration
Ignatius used the word 'Catholic' in the sense of the church being 'universal', which is what the mystical church is

Do you know that because your half-educated pastor told you, or you've been there and talked to St. Ingatius?

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop.

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

To the Smyrnaeans

Was the "bishop" also a mystical one?

The early churches had nothing that could identify them with the Roman Catholic Church today, including a 'Priest class'.

Once more, you have the fantasies, I have the quote above.

13,770 posted on 05/01/2007 7:22:16 AM PDT by annalex
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