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To: fortheDeclaration
Ignatius used the word 'Catholic' in the sense of the church being 'universal', which is what the mystical church is

Do you know that because your half-educated pastor told you, or you've been there and talked to St. Ingatius?

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop.

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

To the Smyrnaeans

Was the "bishop" also a mystical one?

The early churches had nothing that could identify them with the Roman Catholic Church today, including a 'Priest class'.

Once more, you have the fantasies, I have the quote above.

13,770 posted on 05/01/2007 7:22:16 AM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
Ignatius used the word 'Catholic' in the sense of the church being 'universal', which is what the mystical church is Do you know that because your half-educated pastor told you, or you've been there and talked to St. Ingatius?

I know that beause that is what the word 'Catholic' means in Greek.

There is nothing 'Roman' about it.

Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop. See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.

Yes, and the word Bishop is in the Bible, it is simply a minster who is an overseer.

Peter states that the chief Bishop is Christ.(1Pe.2:25) What isn't in the Bible are Cardinals, Archbishops and Popes, who outrank Christ!

Was the "bishop" also a mystical one?

There are two aspects to the church, one the mystical part, in which all true believers are part of Christ's body, being His bride(Eph.1, 5).

That is the church as an organism.

Then there is the Church as an Organization for which Christ supplies Pastors, Deacons, Bishops to lead and protect it (Eph.4).

The RCC is neither.

The early churches had nothing that could identify them with the Roman Catholic Church today, including a 'Priest class'.

Once more, you have the fantasies, I have the quote above.

Once more, you reject clear scripture.

All Ignatius stated is that those Ordinances of Baptism and the Lord's supper should be administered by ministers, but they are not a special caste, since all spiritual gifts are equal (1Cor.12) and there is no special priest caste, since all believers are priests and have direct access to God, as Peter states.

Romanism did not appear until the 4th century when it combined with the State to make a Church/State religion as found in the Vatican today.

13,854 posted on 05/03/2007 4:58:39 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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