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To: kosta50; jo kus; annalex; Kolokotronis
FK: "I know you know the story of how Paul came into his knowledge of Christ. He was converted on the most personal level possible. His old life was gone, a new life had come."

Nice try, FK, but no go. :) +Paul says it was always his ambition.

What? You are referring to Rom. 15:20, but he obviously meant AFTER his conversion. Before that his ambition was to kill Christians. Paul also preaches against selfish ambition in Phil 2:3.

13,730 posted on 04/29/2007 10:56:32 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
You are referring to Rom. 15:20, but he obviously meant AFTER his conversion

Nope I was referring to Phil 1:20 "Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death."

Christ was not always exalted in his body. Combine this with Gal 1:16, where he says that God revealed "His Son in me."

Was Christ "in" Him all along, i.e. always, but he wasn't conscious of it until God [sic] revealed (i.e. uncovered) this to Paul?

I think this is one of the reasons Kolo (and I) find Paul difficult, even disagreeable, and wonder why would anyone ever listen to him.

He is verbose and pompous and his language is inaccurate; to me he sounds like a used cars salesmen. You never know what exactly he is saying because he could be saying all sorts of thing, and he is saying different things to different audiences.

Paul also preaches against selfish ambition in Phil 2:3

Yeah, well go back to Romans 15 and read nothing but boasting and conceit that comes out of +Paul.

That really alienates him from the rest. Of all the Apostles, he lacks humility so cruicial for Christian phronema.

13,738 posted on 04/30/2007 7:02:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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