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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis
You are referring to Rom. 15:20, but he obviously meant AFTER his conversion

Nope I was referring to Phil 1:20 "Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death."

Christ was not always exalted in his body. Combine this with Gal 1:16, where he says that God revealed "His Son in me."

Was Christ "in" Him all along, i.e. always, but he wasn't conscious of it until God [sic] revealed (i.e. uncovered) this to Paul?

I think this is one of the reasons Kolo (and I) find Paul difficult, even disagreeable, and wonder why would anyone ever listen to him.

He is verbose and pompous and his language is inaccurate; to me he sounds like a used cars salesmen. You never know what exactly he is saying because he could be saying all sorts of thing, and he is saying different things to different audiences.

Paul also preaches against selfish ambition in Phil 2:3

Yeah, well go back to Romans 15 and read nothing but boasting and conceit that comes out of +Paul.

That really alienates him from the rest. Of all the Apostles, he lacks humility so cruicial for Christian phronema.

13,738 posted on 04/30/2007 7:02:55 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; betty boop
[.. He(Paul) is verbose and pompous and his language is inaccurate; to me he(Paul) sounds like a used car salesmen. You never know what exactly he is saying because he could be saying all sorts of thing, and he is saying different things to different audiences. ..]

Sometimes Kosta you sound like a Used Jesus Salesman yourself.. How did you get so smart?.. Your humility seems to be lacking.. if only in demeanor.. How did you get so smart?.. I've follow this/these conversation(s) for a good while.. Seems like almost whatever Betty Boop or Alamo-Girl say you have a problem with.. and not with humility either..

What little old Lady pre-owned your Jesus.. putting so few miles on the odometer that YOU would know so much about him.. AND Alamo-Girl, Betty Boop and myself know so little?.. ;) Do you detail that Jesus upon making a deal.. or must we clean him up ourself?.. How did you learn so much about Jesus and the Holy Spirit?..

13,743 posted on 04/30/2007 7:56:55 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis
Nope I was referring to Phil 1:20 "Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death." Christ was not always exalted in his body. Combine this with Gal 1:16, where he says that God revealed "His Son in me." Was Christ "in" Him all along, i.e. always, but he wasn't conscious of it until God [sic] revealed (i.e. uncovered) this to Paul?

I think that's a bit nit-picky. Paul knew full well that Christ was not IN him until he got sledge-hammered. He preached the standard salvation model, that I follow, everywhere he went. He didn't have secret contrary beliefs.

I think this is one of the reasons Kolo (and I) find Paul difficult, even disagreeable, and wonder why would anyone ever listen to him.

If I had a nickel for every time I've been accused of ingratitude to YOUR GUYS for sticking him in the Bible..... :)

He is verbose and pompous and his language is inaccurate; to me he sounds like a used cars salesman. You never know what exactly he is saying because he could be saying all sorts of things, and he is saying different things to different audiences.

What, and the Gospel authors didn't speak to different audiences? :) Plus, EVERY Biblical author could be saying all sorts of things according to men. That's why we're here! :) Paul is no different. Besides, when you criticize what Paul wrote, Who are you really criticizing? All scripture is God-breathed and inerrant.

Yeah, well go back to Romans 15 and read nothing but boasting and conceit that comes out of +Paul. That really alienates him from the rest. Of all the Apostles, he lacks humility so crucial for Christian phronema.

Again, you are not criticizing Paul. I understand preferring some books of the Bible, or authors, over others because they "speak" to us more profoundly, but to openly attempt to discredit a book or an author is something I just don't understand in Christianity.

14,305 posted on 05/08/2007 11:01:13 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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