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To: hosepipe
So James is WRONG?...

Maybe Jeremiah was wrong too? The Bible is chock-full of such discrepancies everyone denies or rationalizes.

No big deal all of the Apostles were wrong at some point...

Christ never said He was sent [sic] for any other reason but for the "lost sheep of the House of israel" and He expressly forbade his disciples to go to the Gentiles or Samarians. The Gentiles are an afterthought.

Oh, don't get me wrong, the Church needed to find a new home as the Jesus followers were being thrown out of the synagogues in Israel (just as Christ predicts), and wrose (actually hunted down and killed), so Paul's work was exactly what the Church needed, but for reasons completely different than waht Paul claims.

The Church was in serious schism right from the start, with Peter and James on one side and Paul on the other. The book of Acts was supposed to smooth this over, as was the case with 1 Clement, but 2nd century records show that this was not resolved as we are led to believe from reading our 4th century copies of the Bible.

13,362 posted on 04/23/2007 10:23:32 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix

The “gentiles” are not an afterthought. That would make the Plan of Salvation something the Lord makes up as He goes, and we know from the bible that the Plan was in effect before Creation. Christ’s sacrifice on the cross is not an after thought. God knows everything that ever was and ever will be. There are no after thoughts, not even the least living soul anywhere. The whole idea of it is an absurdity in theology.


13,365 posted on 04/23/2007 10:38:07 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings ("The Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests." Andrew Jackson, President of U.S.)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
[.. so Paul's work was exactly what the Church needed, but for reasons completely different than what Paul claims. ..]

Who says?.. The Apostles were mostly uneducated teenagers.. Saul/Paul spoke several languages, schooled in Torah, Semantics, Talmud, Politics, Jewish and other Historys, other disciplines, and was a Roman citizen.. God's choice, Mattias was not..

Pauls "Vision" was in more depth and broader in scope.. than the other workers.. How could it not have been?.. God SLAPPED Saul off his donkey(hard) and got his mind right..

The letter to the Ephesians was and is still the deepest thing ever penned by any human at any time about any thing.. Says a lot about the Ephesians..

13,366 posted on 04/23/2007 10:49:07 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: kosta50
Kosta, I read in one of your Posts that you don't believe we are Ever Tested; I know our Lord never Tempts man to do evil, and am with you 100% on that, but the Scriptures Surely Proclaim that we are Tried through Various Adversities and Trials, which cause us to Grow in our Faith in Jesus Christ.

That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.(1Pet.1:7)

Job was Surely Tried through his Awful Trials, with the result that Satan was made to Learn that our Lord's Salvation, when Given to a man, is Secure, and cannot be Shaken. And Job was also Made Stronger Spiritually by his Tribulations, as he 'Repented in Dust and Ashes' before our Lord and King. (Job42:6) I don't believe Trials come to us to show our Lord if our Faith is Sound or not, because He Knows All Things already, but to show us, so we will be Strengthened in our Continuing Endurance through Grace, and Know we are Truly Predestined to Life.

13,373 posted on 04/23/2007 11:05:27 AM PDT by Kitty Mittens
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