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To: kosta50
[.. Merely allows it? In Job He actively plans with Satan what is to be done and what is not to be done. And with Abraham? There was no Satan there as far as I know. The testing was done by God and God alone. ..]

So James is WRONG?.. No big deal all of the Apostles were wrong at some point.. Paul set them straight about the gentiles for instance.. Can you be wrong?..

13,335 posted on 04/23/2007 7:17:51 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe; kosta50; betty boop; Dr. Eckleburg
I suspect there is a tendency among Christians to quite literally throw away whole sections of Scriptures which their minds cannot reconcile using mortal reasoning.

That makes me very sad because then it is not God Who is being worshipped, but one's concept of God - a smaller "god" the mind can comprehend.

Of all the myriad "observer problems" anthropomorphizing God is the most costly.

13,346 posted on 04/23/2007 8:35:42 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe
So James is WRONG?...

Maybe Jeremiah was wrong too? The Bible is chock-full of such discrepancies everyone denies or rationalizes.

No big deal all of the Apostles were wrong at some point...

Christ never said He was sent [sic] for any other reason but for the "lost sheep of the House of israel" and He expressly forbade his disciples to go to the Gentiles or Samarians. The Gentiles are an afterthought.

Oh, don't get me wrong, the Church needed to find a new home as the Jesus followers were being thrown out of the synagogues in Israel (just as Christ predicts), and wrose (actually hunted down and killed), so Paul's work was exactly what the Church needed, but for reasons completely different than waht Paul claims.

The Church was in serious schism right from the start, with Peter and James on one side and Paul on the other. The book of Acts was supposed to smooth this over, as was the case with 1 Clement, but 2nd century records show that this was not resolved as we are led to believe from reading our 4th century copies of the Bible.

13,362 posted on 04/23/2007 10:23:32 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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