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To: kosta50
And for something to be considered be scientifally proved it has to be tested Nope. Scientists you are not. That much is obvious. Tests can prove or disprove whether a scientific model is working or not.

And it is clear you do not understand the scientific method, which tests something to see if it is so.

Thus, H20 always forms water and can be tested and proven

Science creates working models not truthful models. A perfect example of one is the Ptolemaic navigational system. It was based on geocentric premises and it still works! But today we know its assumptions were wrong (as far as geocentricity is concerned).

Science does not 'know' anything of the sort, it only assumes that, but it cannot prove it by scientific methods.

Evidence shows that humans were not created exactly as the Genesis tells us. That doesn't mean that archeology and anthropology can tell us just how the humans were formed, or why for that matter.

Again, there is no evidence of any sort that proves that.

In fact, the reality is that the evidence shows the opposite, that man came from the earth but is unique to the other creatures created.

The craters on the moon and the moon itself are undeniable facts. That doesn't mean we know how they were formed or why. We have theories, and some working models, but working models can be wrong. What we do know is that the moon is not a smooth, perfect sphere and that "up" is not where heave is.

And what does the fact that the moon have craters to do with the Genesis account?

Nothing!

As for 'up' it is 'up'.

Only a fool would not know which way is up!

Christ ascended into the heavens, which means He went up and when He returns, He will descend.

We know that our own galaxy, the Milky Way, containes billions of stars, and today we also see billions of galaxies separated from our own. Based on their light and size and distance we can estimate that there are more visible stars in the Creation than grains of sand on all the beaches and in all the deserts on earth (27 hexatrillion is the estimated number), and this doesn't account for those too far for their light to have reached us yet!

So? That does not contradict the Genesis account at all.

So, God's Creation from the tiniest atom to the galactic expanse is beyond our comprehension. We must not stuff God into our little box even if our minds and languages can do no better than that. We must always remember that the Bible is a "working model" as well, at best, defined by our own finite reality.

What we must remember is that the Bible is God's truth and that science must reflect that truth.

Even your own Church teaches that (see below)

Moreover, nothing that is an actual fact (not an evolutionarly hypothesis) contradicts the Genesis account.

The Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God (II Timothy 3:16), and is a crucial part of God's self-revelation to the human race. The Old Testament tells the history of that revelation from Creation through the Age of the Prophets. Creation: Orthodox Christians confess God as Creator of heaven and earth (Genesis 1:1, the Nicene Creed). Creation did not just come into existence by itself. God made it all. "By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God" (Hebrews 11:3). Orthodox Christians do not believe the Bible to be a science textbook on creation, as some mistakenly maintain, but rather to be God's revelation of Himself and His salvation. Also, we do not view science textbooks, helpful though they may be, as God's revelation. The may contain both known facts and speculative theory, but they are not infallible. Orthodox Christians refuse to build an unnecessary and artificial wall between science and the Christian faith. Rather, they understand honest scientific investigation as a potential encouragement to faith, for all truth is from God. http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets/english/catechism_ext.htm#n2

It would seem that your Church has a better understanding on this than you do.

12,829 posted on 04/16/2007 4:53:50 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (For what saith the scripture? (Rom.4:3))
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To: fortheDeclaration
Thus, H20 always forms water and can be tested and proven

You just like to argue for the sake of argument? Of course H2O always forms water. The formula for H2O, the atoms are part of that working model.

But atoms and electrons are not little 'balls' as they are depicted. They can be represented as such for various reasons, and they behave as if they were bouncy little balls for us to be able to visualize them.

Christ ascended into the heavens, which means He went up and when He returns, He will descend

You are amazing! What's up in Israel is down in Australia. just where "up" is the heaven? And how is Christ sitting to the "right" of the Father when the Father is a Spirit. These are allegorical, not literal descriptions.

So? That does not contradict the Genesis account at all.

Yes, they are older then the earth.

It would seem that your Church has a better understanding on this than you do

I am willing to believe that too, but their teaching is not as convincing as it should be.

12,865 posted on 04/16/2007 4:06:31 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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