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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; kawaii; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights
FK, +John Chrysostom postulated that Mary migh have sinned at the wedding, although the Church as a whole rejected his opinion. In fact, even his own Divine Liturgy, which is served most of the year in Eastern Orthodox and Eastern-rite Catholic churches, most deifnitely proclaim that she was pure in every sense.

I wonder if that was added to his liturgy ex post facto, as it is not part of the Divine Liturgy of st. Basil, which preceded Chrysostom's (and is still used on special days in Eastern Orthodox and, I preusme, Eastern-rite Catholic churches).

I also do not see sacramental connection between water and wine at the wedding, as both were used for wholy unsacramental purpose. The bread, water and wine used in the Eucharistic Mystery are specifically selected, prepared and blessed for that purpose.

12,158 posted on 03/30/2007 4:39:41 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; annalex; HarleyD; Kolokotronis; Quix; kawaii; wmfights

Here is what replaces the "Axion estin" of the Divine Liturgy of +John Chrysostomos in the Divine Liturgy of +Basil:

"All of Creation rejoices in thee, O full of grace:
the angels in heaven and the race of men,
O sanctified temple and noetic paradise,
the glory of virgins, of whom God was incarnate
and became a child, our God before the ages.
He made thy body into a throne,
and thy womb more spacious than the heavens.
All of creation rejoices in thee, O full of grace:
Glory be to thee."


12,159 posted on 03/30/2007 6:42:35 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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