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To: Ping-Pong
Ping-pong, the post this is all coming from is 11,576. The verses are unambiguous. Please look them up.

I assume you are talking about 1 Corinthians 14:34 here.

Part of it. Other parts include Timothy and Titus.

Peace is the subject of these verses so no one should chatter in church, women or men. It doesn't mean they aren't to take part in the church. If it did then it would negate 11:5 of this Book which lets us know that women are to teach:

Clearly you are making things up.

5.But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1 Cor 11:13 says otherwise.

To prophesy is to teach. Women are to teach, as the men are. To shave her head would show dishonor. For her head to be covered doesn't mean a hat, scarf, etc. it means to have Christ over her.

Negative. She is covered 'because of the angels' (go figure, but that's what+Paul is saying). Besides, the the head of a woman is man not Christ, according to the Apostle (1 Cor 11:3). You are making things up.

That power is Christ and it is for His protection against the fallen angels - the same reason a man shouldn't have long hair. They are perverted and he also needs Christ' protection.

Fascinating! But that's not what the verse says.

Acts 2: 17.And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, " I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy......

+Paul doesn't say women can't prophesy; they need to prophesy covered, and when they are in church they need to be covered.

18.And on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

Again, women can prophesy, no argument there.

We're all part of the body of Christ and all parts are necessary and should all be cherished - none more important than the other.

The Church is not egalitarian. That is a liberal fantasy. The Church is structured.


11,914 posted on 03/23/2007 8:59:46 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Thank you for pointing me toward the originating verses. I did look them up.

Clearly you are making things up.

I don't believe I'm making anything up. The verses I quoted explain that it is shame to have a shaven head, 1 Corithians (11:6) and that she should have power over her head (which is her covering,) becaue of the angels, in (11:10). For that same reason a man should not have long hair (11:14) - because of the angels (fallen).

Hair is shown as "tresses" in Strong's. It is showing a difference in "hair of the head" and "locks, tresses or ornamental". Many men wore their hair long but they were not "girly men" as Arnold would say. Those are the ones Paul is speaking to here. 11:14 "if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him." Would Paul be telling us that the long hair Christ wore was a shame?

Also, "covered", as used in 11:6 means - To cover wholly, veil, hide. Our veil is Christ and 11:10 tells us that He is that power.

In those times women did cover their head, as the Islamic women do today. However, the deeper meaning is to keep Christ over us.

Negative. She is covered 'because of the angels' (go figure, but that's what+Paul is saying). Besides, the the head of a woman is man not Christ, according to the Apostle (1 Cor 11:3). You are making things up.

No, I'm not making things up. I do agree that there is a pecking order, as shown in 11:3 but that does not mean women cannot teach (prophesy), as you said. When we marry we become one and it would be foolish to not listen to the strongest of that whole on their best subjects. Meaning - if the wife was a better organizer would you allow the man to tell you how to do what you do in a better way? If the man was a better provider would you make him leave his job and allow the woman to work at a lesser paying one? When you are one you utilize the best parts of the whole.

All of us should have Christ over us no matter what duty we perform for God and that would certainly include teaching His Word.

11,934 posted on 03/24/2007 5:10:11 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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