[Ping-Pong]

Thank you for pointing me toward the originating verses. I did look them up.

Clearly you are making things up.

I don't believe I'm making anything up. The verses I quoted explain that it is shame to have a shaven head, 1 Corithians (11:6) and that she should have power over her head (which is her covering,) becaue of the angels, in (11:10). For that same reason a man should not have long hair (11:14) - because of the angels (fallen).

Hair is shown as "tresses" in Strong's. It is showing a difference in "hair of the head" and "locks, tresses or ornamental". Many men wore their hair long but they were not "girly men" as Arnold would say. Those are the ones Paul is speaking to here. 11:14 "if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him." Would Paul be telling us that the long hair Christ wore was a shame?

Also, "covered", as used in 11:6 means - To cover wholly, veil, hide. Our veil is Christ and 11:10 tells us that He is that power.

In those times women did cover their head, as the Islamic women do today. However, the deeper meaning is to keep Christ over us.

Negative. She is covered 'because of the angels' (go figure, but that's what+Paul is saying). Besides, the the head of a woman is man not Christ, according to the Apostle (1 Cor 11:3). You are making things up.

No, I'm not making things up. I do agree that there is a pecking order, as shown in 11:3 but that does not mean women cannot teach (prophesy), as you said. When we marry we become one and it would be foolish to not listen to the strongest of that whole on their best subjects. Meaning - if the wife was a better organizer would you allow the man to tell you how to do what you do in a better way? If the man was a better provider would you make him leave his job and allow the woman to work at a lesser paying one? When you are one you utilize the best parts of the whole.

All of us should have Christ over us no matter what duty we perform for God and that would certainly include teaching His Word.

[kosta50]

Ping-pong, thanks for your reply. I will direct you to the commentary on 1 Cor 11. I am not sure where you are getting 'fallen' angels in all this, and all the answers you provide. It is clear what +Paul taught regarding women: no public prophesy (although women can prophesy but not in public), learn in silence and submission, ask husband at home if something is not undersood, be covered in front of the man as angels are covered in front of God, be silent in church.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

In those times women did cover their head, as the Islamic women do today. However, the deeper meaning is to keep Christ over us.

Thanks for your excellent argument concerning women and headcoverings.

Re: women in authority in church, I like what Calvin said to Knox...

""Two years ago, John Knox in a private conversation, asked my opinion respecting female government. I frankly answered that because it was a deviation from the primitive and established order of nature, it ought to be held as a judgment on man for his dereliction of his rights just like slavery — that nevertheless certain women had sometimes been so gifted that the singular blessing of God was conspicuous in them, and made it manifest that they had been raised up by the providence of God, either because he willed by such examples to condemn the supineness of men, or thus show more distinctly his own glory. I here instanced Huldah and Deborah." (John Calvin in a letter to William Cecil, 1559)