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James 2 is speaking of showing what you believe by works, not works contributing to salvation. That's not all James is saying. He says that one is not saved by faith ALONE. Thus, your theology is in opposition to the Bible itself! What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? James 2:14 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. James 2:17 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:20 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead. James 2:26 How can someone deny that faith alone does not save? It is right there! We are not saved by faith without works. Simple as that. Regards

You guys really make me laugh.

It seems that you never get around to explaining what Paul is saying in Rom.4 and Gal.3.

Paul makes it very clear that salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone (Rom.3:25).

As for James, he is not talking about salvation, he is talking about bearing fruit and the context bears that out.

If you do not bear fruit your faith will not save you physically since your faith is dead and God will 'prune' His tree (Jn.15:2, 1Jn.5:16) by taking those 'home' who are not bearing fruit via an early death.

Now, if you are going to post me again, deal with Rom.4 and Gal. 3 since that is what you asked me about, where in the Bible does it say that salvation is without works.

James 2 is not speaking about salvation, it is talking about the Christian walk-bearing fruit as is 1Jn.3:18 'let us not love in word and tongue but in deed and in truth

You guys really make me laugh.

You've read the entire thread? Good for you!

Of course if you haven't read the entire thread and all the other threads, then you don't know what we get around to or fail to get around to. Then who should laugh?

Enjoy laughing.

You guys really make me laugh.

Really? I was thinking the same thing about you. You try to explain away James VERY CLEAR writings (THREE TIMES I QUOTED we are not saved by faith alone!!!) by pointing me to Paul's writings to the Romans and Galatians? Give me a break. Even using those writings, nowhere does Paul say we are saved by faith alone.

However, I am addressing James, not Paul. All you are doing is throwing up smoke and mirrors trying to move the topic to another book and another writer. Why? Because it is crystal-clear that the Bible says we are saved by faith AND works. By going to some of Paul's more confusing writings, (as Peter notes in 2 Peter) you are trying to justify your theology by going beyond what Paul wrote.

Unfortunately for your point of view, anyone who can read James 2 will find that one is not saved by faith alone.

End of story.

Regards