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To: Forest Keeper
… the lost are slaves to sin and the saved are slaves to righteousness, just as the Bible says. If a critic wants to now say that this makes everyone robots (and God the author of evil), then his argument is with scripture.

If your interpretation of scripture ends up with robots or slaves, you've gone off wrong. If free will is an illusion, then all experience is an illusion and we might as well debate our dreams.

That one can read scripture and come to this conclusion should amaze us and it emphasizes that anything is possible with sola scriptura as the foundation.

11,139 posted on 02/27/2007 12:39:38 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50; HarleyD
If your interpretation of scripture ends up with robots or slaves, you've gone off wrong. If free will is an illusion, then all experience is an illusion and we might as well debate our dreams.

Free will is an illusion if one thinks it can trump God's will. His will is what reigns over and controls everything. People who believe that they are in control are indeed living under an illusion. For example:

Prov 16:9 : 9 In his heart a man plans his course, but the Lord determines his steps .

Prov 20:24 : 24 A man's steps are directed by the Lord. How then can anyone understand his own way?

The Bible clearly speaks of our slavery:

Rom 6:6 : 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin

Rom 6:16-18 : 16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey — whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin , you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

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That one can read scripture and come to this conclusion should amaze us and it emphasizes that anything is possible with sola scriptura as the foundation.

What conclusions do you come to in reading these scriptures? What amazes me is how desperately people need to feel they are in control of their lives, even when God is being discussed. People push God away because, apparently, they know better than God what is best for them. I suppose I am not as smart as those folks. Not only am I content to have God be in control of me, but I praise His Holy name for it. I am proud to be an eternal exemption on God's taxes. :)

11,149 posted on 02/27/2007 11:05:15 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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