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To: Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg
Thus, the lost are "free" to sin (from the human POV), and they do.

And so are the 'saved.'

The other way to look at it is that the lost are purely slaves to sin

Or that the 'saved' are slaves to righteousness.

Either we are free or we are slaves, but we can't be both.

11,136 posted on 02/26/2007 8:45:18 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg
FK: "The other way to look at it is that the lost are purely slaves to sin."

Or that the 'saved' are slaves to righteousness. Either we are free or we are slaves, but we can't be both.

Well, that's why I have been making a distinction. But if you want a bottom line, then the lost are slaves to sin and the saved are slaves to righteousness, just as the Bible says. If a critic wants to now say that this makes everyone robots (and God the author of evil), then his argument is with scripture.

We do not believe in "free will" in the sense that it can trump God's will. My understanding of your theology is that man's will does indeed trump God's, given that you say God's will is that all men be saved. This has God willingly transferring His sovereignty away from Himself to place it in fallible man. The same thing happens with the claimed authority of the Church. Via this transfer, God must decrease so that man can increase. That just isn't Biblical.

11,137 posted on 02/26/2007 9:42:08 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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