[jo kus]

Almost 350 years after the death of Christ and about 300 years from most of the early church fathers. That would essentially be like me saying I know what reading material George Washington felt was inspired by God. And, I have more access to information then they did back in 382AD. The Gentile fathers might have thought some or all of the Dueterocanonicals were inspired but certainly not the early Hebrew fathers.

I brought this out to refute your opinion that only with Trent did the Catholic Church accept the OT Deuterocanonicals. That is wrong. As to the "Hebrew Fathers", you have yet to give me one such charecter that did condemn the Septuagint.

Do you think the Latin Vulgate is full of Hebrew errors? Do you think it was constructed on erroreous text?

I do not know, honestly. I have not done much reading into that. I try not to give public opinions where I know little about something.

The point is that we are told to do so and it's a matter of obedience; much like we're commanded to correct our brothers when they are in error knowing full well that God must give understanding and they may not see the truth. It's terribly frustrating but I'm sure God has a divine purpose in all of this.

And what would that be, given the "reformed" mindset? Does our obedience to God "change" His already "pre-disposed Mind?

Why pray for the salvation of anyone, if they have the right to choose if God will not override their will? Is the hand of the Lord so short that He cannot save? In the end God no longer is all powerful

As you know, we Catholic and Orthodox do not believe that our prayers are useless and are indeed part of God's plan of salvation. Is the "hand of God" so short He cannot save? I don't believe I ever made such a comment. Note, there is a difference between what God CAN do and what He DOES.

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[HarleyD]

As to the "Hebrew Fathers", you have yet to give me one such charecter that did condemn the Septuagint.

I didn't say "Septuagint". I said "Dueterocanonicals" and the implications was the inclusion of the Apocrypha.

HD-Do you think the Latin Vulgate is full of Hebrew errors?
jo kus-I do not know, honestly. I have not done much reading into that.

Don't you think that is rather central to this argument. The reason Jerome translated the Latin Vulgate directly from the Hebrew was because of the various Greek translations floating around. The question I have that I can't seem to find, is what text did Jerome use? I suspect that he did not use the Masoretic text but I have no proof and could be wrong. The Masoretic text could have just as equal problems (perhaps more) as the Septuagint. But that doesn't make one superior over another. It gives us insight.

Does our obedience to God "change" His already "pre-disposed Mind?

God has ONE purpose (well probably more) and that is to raise sons. The only reason we are obedient to God is simply because He conforms us into His image. All our successes and failures are lessons He is teaching us.

Is the "hand of God" so short He cannot save? I don't believe I ever made such a comment. Note, there is a difference between what God CAN do and what He DOES.

It's there in your last sentence.