Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
"Including Jerome? :>)"
Well he did say the word could be translated "Cousins". But remember, +Jerome was something of a Latin stooge, though he did have a falling out with the Latins towards the end of his life...and he wasn't a native Greek speaker! :)
Latin stooge? Is that any way to talk about a saint?
"Latin stooge? Is that any way to talk about a saint?"
There's another thing you guys don't understand about us Greeks. We simply are not very nice people! That's why God gave us The Church first among the Gentiles. We needed it more then and we still do. We've learned a lot, but we still remind our bishops that the floor of hell is paved with their brothers' skulls. See, not very nice fellows at all, great sinners! :)
Oh, I know! ;-) A good friend of mine is half-Greek, half Cuban. She can be brutal.
"Oh, I know! ;-) A good friend of mine is half-Greek, half Cuban. She can be brutal."
Excellent combo! I'll bet she's a beauty; my half Cuban cousins sure are! You should marry her, become Orthodox and THEN become a priest! :)
LOL! She is a beauty. However, she has been corrupted by feminism. She majored in psychology and women's studies at the university we attended. She is really a practicing Orthodox. She was dabbling in neo-paganism last time I talked to her. Pray for her.
The answer for 1216 is the best most concise answer I have seen. The Catholic church uses these icons to build your love for Father God. By thinking of the saints and other icons you enrich your worship and build your relationship with the Father.
I must ask you, echoing Kolokotronis, if this Byzantine document is not Latinized.
The only reference to "immaculate conception" I could find was the "9th ode the Irmos" of the first week of Great Lent. I was unable to find the actual ode itself, but I am willing to bet that the term "immaculate conception" here refers to the Annunciation, and not Mary's own conception by her parents.
Perhaps Agrarian can shed some light on this, thanks extended in advance.
1216?
Ignorance is bliss.
How does that make "evidence seems to be on the Protestant side?"
Find me one reference that says all those "brothers" and "sistsers' were Mary's children. Just one.
Q. 1216. Why do we pray before the crucifix and the images and relics of the saints? A. We pray before the crucifix and the images and relics of the saints because they enliven our devotion by exciting pious affections and desires, and by reminding us of Christ and of the saints, that we may imitate their virtues.
The Baltimore Catechism is also available online:
http://www.catholic.net/baltimore_catechism/template_channel.phtml?channel_id=14
Whoops! My link went to nowhere. Here are other Baltimore Catechism online links:
http://www.truecatholic.org/baltcont.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/balt/index.htm
http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/baltimore/bindex.htm
The apocraphyl "gospels" of our Lord's youth portray a vengeful, spoiled demigod. The Gospel of John, however, tells us that "the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." (read the rest of that verse, and an argument could be made for your position!) However, nothing about the infancy, boyhood, or youth of Jesus struck His neighbors as strange, queer, eccentric, off-center in any way. To all appearances, he was a perfectly normal Jewish man of his generation, until John's baptism.
Don't look now, but your gnosticism is showing, if, in your thinking, "sinless" = "sexless."
Augustine's opinion is not dogma. That was the work of a Latin synod(The Council of Carthage, which dealt with the issue of grace in a slightly different manner. To be sure, Augustine's view largely prevailed, until the time of Aquinas, but thereafter the semi-Pelagian view--which is closer to the Eastern view, and whose prime champion earlier was St. John Cassian--was the doctrine that Luther and Calvin encountered and rejected. As for the Immaculate Conception, it only stresses the superabundance of the graces given to Mary. If we think of Mary as the second eve, then what we have is a person whose will is not overpowered so that she cannot sin , but who chooses, despite the temptations of the world, to remain true. East and West the Church has always taught how the flesh has been corrupted through the sin of Adam. That grace given to Mary at her origin has removed that corruption and so strengthened she is able to do the will of God. Thus wehn the angel comes to her she is able to give her consent totally, the accept this mission with all its dangers and suffering, as pray God, we must be able to "now and at the hour of our death." How do we say, "Yes," to Jesus? Ask Mary. She is the first Christian.
I will ask again, kosta, just so things are clear.
If I wanted to use a koine Greek word for YOUR BROTHER, what word would I use?
The rest of your post are failked protestant attempts to explain away the obviosu meaning of mat 16:18,19.
William Hendriksen, Prof N T Lit. Calvin Seminary, Gerhard Maier, conservative Lutheran Scholar,Donald a Carlson Baptist, Prof at Trinity Evangelicval Seminary, among many other prots, acknowledge Peter ws the rock upon whom Jesus built the chutch.
So, we have all Catholics in agreement as to the meaning of that verse while prots are divided among themselves.
It is always the same no matter what the controversy :)
The rest of your post are failked protestant attempts to explain away the obviosu meaning of mat 16:18,19.
William Hendriksen, Prof N T Lit. Calvin Seminary, Gerhard Maier, conservative Lutheran Scholar,Donald a Carlson Baptist, Prof at Trinity Evangelicval Seminary, among many other prots, acknowledge Peter ws the rock upon whom Jesus built the chutch.
So, we have all Catholics in agreement as to the meaning of that verse while prots are divided among themselves.
It is always the same no matter what the controversy :)
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