'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

[HarleyD]

Word cannot be reduced to words.

Whew! That's profound. ;O)

Isn't there a verse somewhere that say, "Faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God."?

[annalex]

Interesting that he is carying a loaf of bread and a jug. A Eucharistic reference? This looks more traditional, with a flower. Caprenter tools are, of course often added as well.

[P-Marlowe]

Is that the Boy Scout sign?

[annalex]

Looks like a lily, and if so, I think France, and the Bourbon lily, and so the Scouts.

Speaking of bourbon, is it that time yet? Been a long week.

I will research the lily. I notice a lot of these images are French.

[HarleyD]

The Apostles will teach the world (Jn 17:18f)

Joh 17:18 "As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. Joh 17:19 "For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. Joh 17:20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word;

Peter will convert his brethren (Lk 22:32)

Brethren refers to the Jews. Paul's mission was to the Gentiles.

Gal 2:8 (for He who effectually worked for Peter in his apostleship to the circumcised effectually worked for me also to the Gentiles),

the Church will be one (Jn 17:22)

No argument, but in my Bible "Church" is spelled "church". And, quite coincidentally, so is it in my Catholic version.

together with the Tradition (2 Thess. 2:14)

2Th 2:15 (2:14) Therefore, brethren, stand fast: and hold the traditions, which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle.

Paul states we hold fast the traditions through the preaching of the word or the epistle (scripture). We don't learn tradition through men.

Compare:

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy and vain deceit: according to the tradition of men according to the elements of the world and not according to Christ.

No scripture can embrace the knowledge of Christ in full

Joh 20:30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book;
Joh 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

I always get nervous when Catholics post references without any scripture.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

AMEN! Great post, Harley.

[HarleyD]

I'd like to take credit for it but actually I didn't write most of it. ;O)

[annalex]

OK. About those flowers. When with staff, the flowers represent the method of how Mary's spouse was chosen, see The Protoevangelium of James chapter 9 (in actuality they were doves and not flowers emerging from the staff, but the artists wisely sought to avoid the confusion of the doves of St,. Joseph's rod with the Holy Spirit).

The lilies is a reference to his chastity. No relation to the Bourbon Lily.

He is, of course, often depicted with carpenter tools as well. Among other things, he is the patron saint of fighting communism and of the New World.

Wiki

[P-Marlowe]

[Dr. Eckleburg]

But credit goes to you for reading Scripture fully and in context, comparing Scripture with Scripture.

"For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth." -- Psalm 33:4

[P-Marlowe]

I always get nervous when Catholics post references without any scripture.

No kidding.

[P-Marlowe]

It wasn't the flowers, it was the boy scout sign.

[annalex]

Brethren refers to the Jews

This is your naked opinion only. There is nothing in context to suggest that.

"Church" is spelled "church".

Capitalization in Bibles generally differs form lay discourse. Pronouns referring to Christ are not capitalized either.

We don't learn tradition through men

Not what St. Paul said in 2Th 2:15, as you helpfully quoted. It is true, of course, that not all traditions of all men are helpful. This is why one should avoid traditions of Messrs. Luther and the rest.

Joh 20:30

Fine, the gospel is written "so that we may believe". It is not a claim of completeness, as Evangelist St. John himself stated in the next chapter. If there existed such a claim, sola scriptura would have been proven from scripture, but of course we both know that it cannot be proven.

[P-Marlowe]

And is that the holy hand grenade of Antioch?

[D-fendr]

"Faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God."

You're trying to do it again.

[annalex]

Ah. No, the Savior blesses with two, not three fingers extended



The Savior Blessing

Zurbaran

1638
Oil on canvas, 99 x 71 cm
Museo del Prado, Madrid

[Salvation]

Why don't you guys and gals start a new thread??

Christmas was a month ago and it is going to be Lent soon.

Maybe something like the NeverEnding Story that you had before??

[D-fendr]

Would a little respect kill ya?

[annalex]

This is incidentally, the oldest extant icon of Christ. Note the position of the fingers.

Christ the Savior

c. 600 CE
Mt. Sinai, St. Catherine's Monastery

[Mad Dawg]

Yeah, I heard that. Some people are weird!

What it is, in one of our apocryphal texts, Joseph was a carpenter, yeah, but he did a little Real Estate on the side. It was kind of, like, you know, a pyramid marketing scheme. Yeah, tht's it. And I think he got the idea from when the Holy Family was in exile.

This is all conjecture you understand.