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'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480

'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

By John-Henry Westen

NEW YORK, December 4, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A review of New Line Cinema's The Nativity story by Fr. Angelo Mary Geiger of the Franciscans of the Immaculate in the United States, points out that the film, which opened December 1, misinterprets scripture from a Catholic perspective.

While Fr. Geiger admits that he found the film is "in general, to be a pious and reverential presentation of the Christmas mystery." He adds however, that "not only does the movie get the Virgin Birth wrong, it thoroughly Protestantizes its portrayal of Our Lady."

In Isaiah 7:14 the Bible predicts the coming of the Messiah saying: "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel." Fr. Geiger, in an video blog post, explains that the Catholic Church has taught for over 2000 years that the referenced Scripture showed that Mary would not only conceive the child miraculously, but would give birth to the child miraculously - keeping her physical virginity intact during the birth.

The film, he suggests, in portraying a natural, painful birth of Christ, thus denies the truth of the virginal and miraculous birth of Christ, which, he notes, the Fathers of the Church compared to light passing through glass without breaking it. Fr. Geiger quoted the fourth century St. Augustine on the matter saying. "That same power which brought the body of the young man through closed doors, brought the body of the infant forth from the inviolate womb of the mother."

Fr. Geiger contrasts The Nativity Story with The Passion of the Christ, noting that with the latter, Catholics and Protestants could agree to support it. He suggests, however, that the latter is "a virtual coup against Catholic Mariology".

The characterization of Mary further debases her as Fr. Geiger relates in his review. "Mary in The Nativity lacks depth and stature, and becomes the subject of a treatment on teenage psychology."

Beyond the non-miraculous birth, the biggest let-down for Catholics comes from Director Catherine Hardwicke's own words. Hardwicke explains her rationale in an interview: "We wanted her [Mary] to feel accessible to a young teenager, so she wouldn't seem so far away from their life that it had no meaning for them. I wanted them to see Mary as a girl, as a teenager at first, not perfectly pious from the very first moment. So you see Mary going through stuff with her parents where they say, 'You're going to marry this guy, and these are the rules you have to follow.' Her father is telling her that she's not to have sex with Joseph for a year-and Joseph is standing right there."

Comments Fr. Geiger, "it is rather disconcerting to see Our Blessed Mother portrayed with 'attitude;' asserting herself in a rather anachronistic rebellion against an arranged marriage, choosing her words carefully with her parents, and posing meaningful silences toward those who do not understand her."

Fr. Geiger adds that the film also contains "an overly graphic scene of St. Elizabeth giving birth," which is "just not suitable, in my opinion, for young children to view."

Despite its flaws Fr. Geiger, after viewing the film, also has some good things to say about it. "Today, one must commend any sincere attempt to put Christ back into Christmas, and this film is certainly one of them," he says. "The Nativity Story in no way compares to the masterpiece which is The Passion of the Christ, but it is at least sincere, untainted by cynicism, and a worthy effort by Hollywood to end the prejudice against Christianity in the public square."

And, in addition to a good portrait of St. Joseph, the film offers "at least one cinematic and spiritual triumph" in portraying the Visitation of Mary to St. Elizabeth. "Although the Magnificat is relegated to a kind of epilogue at the movie's end, the meeting between Mary and Elizabeth is otherwise faithful to the scriptures and quite poignant. In a separate scene, the two women experience the concurrent movement of their children in utero and share deeply in each other's joy. I can't think of another piece of celluloid that illustrates the dignity of the unborn child better than this."

See Fr. Geiger's full review here:
http://airmaria.com/


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KEYWORDS: catholic; catholics; christmas; mary; movie; nativity; nativitystory; thenativitystory
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To: wmfights; Kolokotronis; kosta50; blue-duncan
I don't and won't believe in a works earned salvation.

This is what the scripture teaches though.

6 [God] will render to every man according to his works. 7 To them indeed, who according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life: 8 But to them that are contentious, and who obey not the truth, but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation.

(Romans 2)

19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou, that faith did co-operate with his works; and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only? 25 And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers, and sending them out another way? 26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.

(James 2)

12 Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to every man according to his works. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. 14 Blessed are they that wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb: that they may have a right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 15 Without are dogs, and sorcerers, and unchaste, and murderers, and servers of idols, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie.

(Apocalypse 22)


5,241 posted on 01/11/2007 5:13:29 PM PST by annalex
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To: kawaii; Dr. Eckleburg
Why would then would the second eve get credited with Christ' own work

The second article you posted explains that. Christ worked, but she agreed to let Him.

5,242 posted on 01/11/2007 5:16:43 PM PST by annalex
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To: Kolokotronis

Do you believe all true Christians are saints, or just people who are officially beatified?


5,243 posted on 01/11/2007 5:19:17 PM PST by Blogger
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To: annalex

And Eve beleived the serpant and tempted Adam, but its still ADAM'S sin.


5,244 posted on 01/11/2007 5:19:53 PM PST by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: Kolokotronis; Blogger
nothing to do with being born with a different nature

Sinlessness is the human nature. Let us recall that sinless Christ is fully human. Immaculate conception in no way denies Mary her humanity. Rather, our sin denies ours.

5,245 posted on 01/11/2007 5:19:55 PM PST by annalex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; blue-duncan; xzins; P-Marlowe; ...
foolishness

But the sensual man perceiveth not these things that are of the Spirit of God; for it is foolishness to him, and he cannot understand, because it is spiritually examined.

(1 Cor 2:14)

What is difficult to understand about [1 Timothy 2:5]

... or, to that matter, about 1 Timothy 2:1:

I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men

5,246 posted on 01/11/2007 5:25:48 PM PST by annalex
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To: wmfights
Did I miss anything?

Yeah, precision about what we believe. We're you aiming for that?

5,247 posted on 01/11/2007 5:28:00 PM PST by Mad Dawg (How many angels can swim the the head of a beer? -- Roger Ramjet, 1967)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Blogger; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; blue-duncan; xzins; P-Marlowe; ...
I and all saved Christians are just as "God-pleasing" as any saint

The distinction in the article was between those who are saved by virtue of repenting their own sin, and those who pray for others. 1 Timothy 2:1f comes to mind once again.

5,248 posted on 01/11/2007 5:30:10 PM PST by annalex
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To: kawaii; Blogger; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; blue-duncan; xzins; P-Marlowe; Gamecock; ...
John Gill:

Jam 5:16 - Confess your faults one to another,.... Which must be understood of sins committed against one another; which should be acknowledged, and repentance for them declared, in order to mutual forgiveness and reconciliation; and this is necessary at all times, and especially on beds of affliction, and when death and eternity seem near approaching: wherefore this makes nothing for auricular confession, used by the Papists; which is of all sins, whereas this is only of such by which men offend one another; that is made to priests, but this is made by the saints to one another, by the offending party to him that is offended, for reconciliation, whereby a good end is answered; whereas there is none by the other, and very often bad consequences follow.

Adam Clarke:

Jam 5:16 - Confess your faults one to another - This is a good general direction to Christians who endeavor to maintain among themselves the communion of saints. This social confession tends much to humble the soul, and to make it watchful. We naturally wish that our friends in general, and our religious friends in particular, should think well of us; and when we confess to them offenses which, without this confession, they could never have known, we feel humbled, are kept from self-applause, and induced to watch unto prayer, that we may not increase our offenses before God, or be obliged any more to undergo the painful humiliation of acknowledging our weakness, fickleness, or infidelity to our religious brethren. It is not said, Confess your faults to the Elders that they may forgive them, or prescribe penance in order to forgive them. No; the members of the Church were to confess their faults to each other; therefore auricular confession to a priest, such as is prescribed by the Romish Church, has no foundation in this passage. Indeed, had it any foundation here it would prove more than they wish, for it would require the priest to confess his sins to the people, as well as the people to confess theirs to the priest.

Albert Barnes:

Jam 5:16 - Confess your faults one to another - This seems primarily to refer to those who were sick, since it is added, “that ye may be healed.” The fair interpretation is, that it might be supposed that such confession would contribute to a restoration to health. The case supposed all along here (see Jam_5:15) is, that the sickness referred to had been brought upon the patient for his sins, apparently as a punishment for some particular transgressions. Compare the notes at 1Co_11:30. In such a case, it is said that if those who were sick would make confession of their sins, it would, in connection with prayer, be an important means of restoration to health. The duty inculcated, and which is equally binding on all now, is, that if we are sick, and are conscious that we have injured any persons, to make confession to them. This indeed is a duty at all times, but in health it is often neglected, and there is a special propriety that such confession should be made when we are sick. The particular reason for doing it which is here specified is, that it would contribute to a restoration to health - “that ye may be healed.” In the case specified, this might be supposed to contribute to a restoration to health from one of two causes:
(1) If the sickness had been brought upon them as a special act of divine visitation for sin, it might be hoped that when the confession was made the hand of God would be withdrawn; or
(2) in any case, if the mind was troubled by the recollection of guilt, it might be hoped that the calmness and peace resulting from confession would be favorable to a restoration to health.

The former case would of course be more applicable to the times of the apostles; the latter would pertain to all times. Disease is often greatly aggravated by the trouble of mind which arises from conscious guilt; and, in such a case, nothing will contribute more directly to recovery than the restoration of peace to the soul agitated by guilt and by the dread of a judgment to come. This may be secured by confession - confession made first to God, and then to those who are wronged. It may be added, that this is a duty to which we are prompted by the very nature of our feelings when we are sick, and by the fact that no one is willing to die with guilt on his conscience; without having done everything that he can to be at peace with all the world. This passage is one on which Roman Catholics rely to demonstrate the propriety of “auricular confession,” or confession made to a priest with a view to an absolution of sin. The doctrine which is held on that point is, that it is a duty to confess to a priest, at certain seasons, all our sins, secret and open, of which we have been guilty; all our improper thoughts, desires, words, and actions; and that the priest has power to declare on such confession that the sins are forgiven. But never was any text less pertinent to prove a doctrine than this passage to demonstrate that. Because:
(1) The confession here enjoined is not to be made by a person in health, that he may obtain salvation, but by a sick person, that he may be healed.
(2) as mutual confession is here enjoined, a priest would be as much bound to confess to the people as the people to a priest.
(3) no mention is made of a priest at all, or even of a minister of religion, as the one to whom the confession is to be made.
(4) the confession referred to is for “faults” with reference to “one another,” that is, where one has injured another; and nothing is said of confessing faults to those whom we have not injured at all.
(5) there is no mention here of absolution, either by a priest or any other person.
(6) if anything is meant by absolution that is Scriptural, it may as well be pronounced by one person as another; by a layman as a clergyman. All that it can mean is, that God promises pardon to those who are truly penitent, and this fact may as well be stated by one person as another. No priest, no man whatever, is empowered to say to another either that he is truly penitent, or to forgive sin. “Who can forgive sins but God only?” None but he whose law has been violated, or who has been wronged, can pardon an offence. No third person can forgive a sin which a man has committed against a neighbor; no one but a parent can pardon the offences of which his own children have been guilty towards him; and who can put himself in the place of God, and presume to pardon the sins which his creatures have committed against him?
(7) the practice of “auricular confession” is “evil, and only evil, and that continually.” Nothing gives so much power to a priesthood as the supposition that they have the power of absolution. Nothing serves so much to pollute the soul as to keep impure thoughts before the mind long enough to make the confession, and to state them in words. Nothing gives a man so much power over a female as to have it supposed that it is required by religion, and appertains to the sacred office, that all that passes in the mind should be disclosed to him. The thought which but for the necessity of confession would have vanished at once; the image which would have departed as soon as it came before the mind, but for the necessity of retaining it to make confession - these are the things over which a man would seek to have control, and to which he would desire to have access, if he wished to accomplish purposes of villany. The very thing which a seducer would desire would be the power of knowing all the thoughts of his intended victim; and if the thoughts which pass through the soul could be known, virtue would be safe nowhere. Nothing probably under the name of religion has ever done more to corrupt the morals of a community than the practice of auricular confession.

5,249 posted on 01/11/2007 5:31:44 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
lol. And I guess if you say you saw it, then it must be true, huh?

Yep. Smokey Mary's, Officially known as the Church of Saint Mary the Virgin, New York City. The Saturday after Ash Wednesday, (or maybe Saturday before Ash Wednesday) when I was 11, going on 12. 1960. Acolyte's gathering from NYC and surrounding counties. The first time i had taken part in a solemn procession of the Blessed Sacrament.

The Episcopal Church circa 2001 had already spent over ten years refusing to consider homosexual behavior something which would disqualify one for ordination. Before 1990 the diocese of Maryland had refused to pass a resolution affirming thaat Jesus Christ was the Son of God and our only savior. If you go to the Epsicoplians of 2001 for good teaching exercise discernment and count your change. For one thing, whatever one cleric says, you can find ten others who will say the opposite. One cleric denying Catholic Marian teaching is almost a guarantee hyou will find otheres confirming it.

And be careful about calling people liars. Verb. sap. If you should happen to be of the male persuasion that could lead to injury. I am now of the opinion that I never was an ordained clergydude so I do not observe some of the resraints I observed in the old days of my deception.

5,250 posted on 01/11/2007 5:39:59 PM PST by Mad Dawg (How many angels can swim the the head of a beer? -- Roger Ramjet, 1967)
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To: kawaii
The Orthodox definitly beleive Mary needed a savior.

As do the RCC's.

5,251 posted on 01/11/2007 5:42:51 PM PST by Mad Dawg (How many angels can swim the the head of a beer? -- Roger Ramjet, 1967)
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To: Mad Dawg
And be careful about calling people liars.

There you go again, bringing false witness. Your words are not mine.

5,252 posted on 01/11/2007 5:43:50 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mad Dawg
If Mary was sinless, why would she "need a savior?"

Christ came to free slaves from sin, to shoulder their burden and pay for their trespasses.

Your beliefs remain illogical.

5,253 posted on 01/11/2007 5:46:12 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: annalex
I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men

To whom?

5,254 posted on 01/11/2007 5:47:53 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Blogger

"Do you believe all true Christians are saints, or just people who are officially beatified?"

No and no.


5,255 posted on 01/11/2007 5:51:21 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

:) Well, now that is clear.


5,256 posted on 01/11/2007 5:52:32 PM PST by Blogger
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To: Blogger; blue-duncan; wmfights

We're number 1, We're number 1, We're number 1 :)

Sorry, couldn't resist. Saw this on another thread and thought I would take it home with me.
5,257 posted on 01/11/2007 5:57:12 PM PST by Blogger
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To: annalex; Blogger

"Sinlessness is the human nature. Let us recall that sinless Christ is fully human. Immaculate conception in no way denies Mary her humanity. Rather, our sin denies ours."

Now you see, I don't believe at all that sinlessness is human nature except to this extent. Our created purpose was to be in both the image and likeness of God. To the extent that that can be attained, then our created purpose has been fulfilled and since we would be in union with the uncreated energies of God, we would therefore be sinless. Adam and Eve were not created perfect. They were created with potential, a potential they lost for themselves and us through the Sin and which Christ restored. Human nature became distorted through that Sin and lost the potential to attain theosis. This is not to say that the Theotokos couldn't have remained sinless through her entire life up to the resurrection. I believe she did. But without that resurrection, she could not have attained theosis because as a child of Adam, she was bound by death as a consequence of Adam's Sin. On the other hand, if she was conceived with no effect of the sin of Adam in her, then she wasn't bound by the bonds of death, she wasn't human the way the rest of us are and she didn't need a savior. Under this line of thinking, she might well be the "Co-Redemptrix" and Christ, born of her, might not be True Man. But that's not Orthodoxy.


5,258 posted on 01/11/2007 6:01:39 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Blogger

":) Well, now that is clear."

Yup, no incense or Byzantine chant needed to answer that question.


5,259 posted on 01/11/2007 6:02:57 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Blogger

Hey Catholics,
What is up with your denoms politics? I know the ones on this forum are likely conservatives. But all the major cities (which voted Dem) are largely Catholic.


5,260 posted on 01/11/2007 6:08:07 PM PST by Blogger
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